Xel'Naga

This was expected to be main plot of SC2 because of Brood war special mission.

Thing that bothers bit that I didn't expect Xel Naga to be cabable of being 'bad' guys...they were mostly researcher race that got ass kicked by young protoss with low level tech. And Zerg owned them after with simple pre-historic units.

I guess they could wan't revenge or erase all life forms on universe because result of failed experiments.

But they will fail anyway... you know why?

Because Kerrigan befriends them just to be able to back-stab them ( Gotta love Kerrigan lol? )

 

This is exactly what i think, they were just a big group of scientists, the universe is a little big i think so that team could have been a little piece of a gigantic civilization.

Id love to see the xel´naga as a playable race, and even the hybrids too, i know blizzard has the best team, and if they want they could make them well balanced, and at the same time giving starcraft 2 a super refresh, just my opinion i know all those purist dont want new races ´cuz that´s not the game they played 10 years ago, come on! starcraft 2 is a new game, let them have lots of new things they had 10 years to think about all the possibilities and problems, just work it out!.

 

hmmm... I was sure about that, damn. Ok. When I finally get home to my starcraft books, I'll figure out how I went wrong with that. And while I do agree that there could be other fleets of Xel'Naga in other sectors or from other galaxies (they were, I believe, not from the Milky Way), it was mentioned that the larger bulk of the species was destroyed by the zerg. As per wikipedia "A surprise attack was launched against the Xel'Naga, wiping out most of the race's Worldships and the greater whole of the Xel'Naga in the first waves." Surprise may be a powerful ally, true. But realizing you were surprised doesn't save you from extintion. I just think that revising what we currently know about the Xel'Naga would be somewhat irritating especially when there are other ways of making an interesting story line out of it.

 

you do know that you shouldnt rely on wikipedia, as anyone can change the information on there.

and blizz can just say it wasnt 'majority of the race' but 'majority of the race in this sector'

 

WEll your half wrong the protoss never attacked them.

but they could be a bit made at the races for trying to end there lives.

 

@ JudicatorPrime.

I really didn't like WC3, it's my own personal opinion, yes, but I feel that the plot of the story was, in fact, a terrible injustice to the Warcraft universe.

Concerning me plotting it out? Yup. Always . But seriously, who isn't trying to take over the koprulu sector? This is war! The underlying assumption that they would be massively overpowered as a race came from the assumption that since there are three races in starcraft 2, the Xel'Naga would not be playable and the fear that they would do something like the burning legion (another ancient race in a different blizzard universe) to the Xel'Naga, which I felt would be lame. Maybe I did jump the gun a bit on that.

As for Kerrigan? Man, her life sucks. She was forced to kill and horrible other things as a ghost. Then she finally finds someone outside the Confederacy who "understands" her, but who actually sells her out. Then she gets infested and is under the control of the overmind. Then when it dies, she picks up the peices of the swarm and conquers the koprulu sector by deception, treachery, and finally raw strength. I mean, that takes up a lot of even the other races missions in the original SC and brood war campaigns and all of the zerg campaign in brood war. She gets quite a lot of face time.

I'm glad you like the playable race idea. As per the wormholes, it could be used in a lot of ways (again, i think they would be a finesse race), but imagine if only part of the enemy forces got through, only to be slaughtered themselves by the Xel'Naga. Timing is everything in starcraft and I think it would be a really good tactic to play with.

Also I wasn't thinking actual zerglings, but I agree that the subspecies they control need to be sufficiently different so that they're unique.

I really like your idea of showing their technology as well, but I would leave that for maybe their ships, say perhaps an actual mothership with blackhole or a giant freaking laser cannon. Or maybe something close to the energy used by the temple in brood war?

As for Raynor? Not that I know of, but maybe in some StarCraft book? (I haven't read any of those). But Zertul did in the Dark Origin Campaign. Maybe Raynor doesn't ask about the Xel'Naga because he has no idea who they are? And he clearly knows about the artifacts so maybe that just interests him more? Idle speculation: In short, I have no idea.

 

I like some of the ideas string, mainly the hybrids who can warp to each other . . . makes perfect sense. But I highly doubt the Xel'Naga will have a combat role in the story, and will want to dominate the sector, it’s just not in their nature from all that we have read about them. Perhaps more light on the Xel'Naga will be shed in the StarCraft 2 storyline, but I believe their hybrids will play a bigger role then themselves and the Xel'Naga will be left mostly still a mystery. I can't wait to learn more.

 

@ Burkid.

True, wikipedia is not something that I would use as a source in a paper or for something I would send to my boss. But I have found it (mostly) reliable for general purposes. Also, my manuals for SC and BW happen to be four hours away from where I live. So, teh interwebbbs is where the information lives for me... for now.

Also while blizz can just say, "nope, just this part of the race" or "just this engineering group" or really whatever they want, it really gets irritating when they just revise history. What written is written. They published it. Maybe there's also another race of protess, not light, not dark, but... orange protoss... yeah... from some other place that we just didn't happen to mention before. Lame. The story could go so many place as it is, it doesn't need blizz changing the facts to make it interesting. I personally just think they should go with what they have. They're really good story writers... excepting WC3.

Also: side note. I really like the idea of the Xel'Naga having been almost wiped out and spend a while licking there would and coming back unexpectedly. Makes them a little vulnerable. It gives them a reason to hold a grudge. Makes them more interesting in general. I mean what would their relationship be vis-a-vis the zerg? Former Bully? Child? The possiblities are endless. It could be so awesome.

 

well you said it yourself, not much is known about the Xel, and blizzard can act on that. in the lore for SC1, all we knew is the Xel were almost wiped out, but we only knew about the Xel in Koprulu. its quite easy to say 'all known xel were almost wiped out, and now they are back with more of their race and pissed.'

 

I hope they in no way resemble the Naga in WC... Although Snake-ish serpeant things are almost idolic when referring to ancient races... but damn that would suck...

 

No he isnt protoss did attack the xel´naga when they where about to leave the protoss because of the "failed experiment" thing, protoss didnt like that very much so they destroyed some of the xel´naga fleet

and i really hope they come back so we have to fight them, and fight as them also, oh and there´s another topic like this so they should be merged.

 

@ Burkid
Too true, we don't know that much about them. But from the third person omniscient view, we see that most of them died. It wasn't like WarCraft where they have a first person story from Medivh's mother, thus making her viewpoint narrow and she could have missed things like that (Actually much like I miss her hehehe). But this is an omniscient view point, it's not like it's wrong or it messed up, it has to be revised to change it and that just smacks of bad story telling. They way they have it works, it may even work really well. Hell they're the masters of biology, maybe they just cloned themselves a lot? I don't know, but to have only a fraction of them having actually died, to me, sounds like poor imagination, and poor story telling. It's not blizz worthy.

 

i never said a fraction of them died. that could of been half their race in koprulu. im just saying its not all of their race.

 

a fraction could really be any fraction. It could be 1/2. It could be 1/4. It could be 3/4. It could be 1/193434370830480380.

If they're back, apparently they didn't all die. But it would be my personal preference that what was left of them wasn't overpowering. Maybe a few of them survived. Maybe only 1 out of 1000 of them survived, but have been trying to rebuild for however long it's been since the battle of Zerus. I think it works for a better dynamic, doesn't make them some invincible race (a la the Burning Legion), and you also don't have to revise the book. Win-Win in my opinion.

 

i meant that as in a small fraction.

1 out of every 1k seems a bit extreme, maybe 1 out of every 10 or 20.
and do we know how long ago the whole zerg vs xel was?

 

Not necessarily in their nature, yeah that's probably true. But it seems that the Koprulu sectors is the sort of jar of candy that everyone is try to get their hands into. I mean even the UED sent out an expeditionary force from Earth which is God only knows how far away. I hope they're getting involved. Them and the hybrids. They've flown away and they've been slaughtered. I want to see them fight back. It would just be cool.

 

Something like 95% of the Protoss were killed during the Zerg rampage on Auir. Why not the same with the Xel'Naga? It really could have been at any time. The only definitive we really have time wise with these races is the 1,000 year Aeon of Strife which happened after the Xel'Naga left the Protoss on Auir. So... sometime more than 1,000 years. And given we know absolutely nothing of Xel'Naga life spans or breeding cycles (or cloning technology)... they could, in theory, be at any number of individuals.

That said, I think there should only be a few left. Doesn't make sense for the greater mass of them to be exterminated and then they come back all up to snuff. At least not from a story telling point of view.

 

i think it was 70 percent at auir, but that doesnt include the DT population on Shakuras.

if 1 out of every 1000 survived, thats .1% of the population left.
if 1 out of every 10 survived thats 10% of the population left. loss of 90% of a population seems extreme, and thats 100 time more survivors than you suggested.

 

Remember the cinematic trailer and the part with zeratul fight the zerg/kerrigan thing i think that may answer the question of how zeratul was hurt and i remember hearing a warp in sound just before zeratul appeared so i think he warped in with the same system as the buildings.

 

as for the actual numbers involved with the attack on the Xel'Naga at Zerus you're probably right. 1 out of 1000 surviving is a bit much. I guess I identified them a bit with the 40k Eldar, what with their immense power, their worldships, and their near complete annihilation. I imagined them to be quite numerous and now very few. But we really don't know how many of them there were, just that the greater bulk of them were killed at Zerus. If they're still around, either they have really long life spans or there were enough of them to keep em procreatin'. I just can't really see them just shrugging of the loss of the major part of their species. More likely is that there isn't too many of them.


Also, as per your sig, I think that carriers are back in the game at least. (woot!)