World of warcraft

So I guess there's a nice sense of accomplishment then? :arghh: And you still haven't said which classes you played or tried.

@ Willy. Can't.

 

Unless y'know, you want to be competitive or something. But yeah, that's an option too >.>

Also, IMO quests to kill x, bring x etc can be taken as grind and often are.
It's a matter of design, if an NPC tells me straight to kill 10 boars (to prove worthiness balhblah) how is it different than just going out there and killing them on my own. You get more xp for that, sure. So if you had other game with no quests but higher xp rate it'd be almost the same thing.


I wish Darkfall actually comes out and delivers...

 

Only sense of accomplishment I ever got from WoW is that of wasting time. In EvE you get the sense of something new, but if you want a sense of accomplishment then PvP, all the skills in the world won't save you if you can't fit your ship right. Learning that is REAL experience.

I should also note that it is not unheard of for a hoarde of 5 hour old players to royally rape a 5 year old player in EvE. I would pay to see that in WoW

and I believe I tried A mage, Hunter and a rouge in WoW I believe. The trial ran out after that.

 

@ Meee. You don't have to grind anything to be competitive. It's definitely an advantage, but it's no requirement.

And questing isn't grinding. Grinding is just killing mobs over, and over, and over, and over, and over. As far as questing goes, it keeps you on track, if makes sure that you're not grinding the same mobs over and over again, and it keeps you at the stage you should be at. In my opinion, if you consider questing in World of WarCraft as grinding, then if you're playing any game you're simply grinding that game. If you're playing Diablo, you're grinding Diablo, if you're playing StarCraft, you're 'grinding' StarCraft, etc. Unless something different is happening every few minutes or so, then you're doing the 'same' stuff over and over again.

@ BoP. Well if you only got the trial version, then you're not really expected to accomplish anything significant. It's just to get a sense of the game. On top of that, from the sound of it, the same that applies to EvE applies to WoW.

As for time spend playing, that's because you've got to progress your characters in World of WarCraft, which is, again, where the sense of accomplishment comes in. Besides, I've seen, and in one case taken part in, some things like that. In a single-man raid on Hammerfall, me and a bunch of other level thirty-fives took out an attacking seventy, and a guildmate of mine, at that stage he was a level twenty-eight, or thereabouts, Hunter managed to take down a level forty-three, if I remember correctly, Druid who tried to gank him.

And, again, if you only tried the trial, I don't see how you can expect to comment on the game as a whole. That's like commenting on StarCraft after playing the tutorial mission.

 

Exactly why I don't play StarCraft.

Wait wait wait, about that sense of accomplishment, where was it again?

 

The trial is 2 weeks of gameplay, and I did the trial twice.
Are you telling me a month isn't long enough to get a feel for the game?
I can't always devote the entire evening to a game either, and grind or no, you can't get anywhere in WoW without investing alot of time into it.

Note that the trial of WoW is the full game (spend a day downloading it the first time), not some pared down version with only 2 features, so its more like deciding if I like Starcraft after finishing the first half of the Terran campaign.

 

@ Meee. In the progression of your character... Reaching certain milestones... Defeating end-game instances... Not to mention Battlegrounds and Arena.

Seriously, when playing World of WarCraft, you accomplished a lot.

@ BoP. Yes, you get a feel of the game. That's what I said the trial was, almost word for word.

Apart from the fact that the trial version isn't the full game, it's ten days and it doesn't even roll over. On top of that, if you tried playing three characters, then that's only a few hours per character.

 

Again, IMO character progression only counts if you consider time put into it as accomplishment. Not sure what milestones you're talking about.
Instaces are more like it, esp the earlier ones where getting a group was something Do they even do 25man instances anymore?

Hmm, now that I think of it, I did accomplish a fair bit when playing. Half of that was exploiting but still

 

I wouldn't say that about progression. Progression is mainly just playing as the character you've made, and the milestones I was talking about are things like tiers of talents, mounts, next battlegrounds, sixty, seventy, etc.

And although I've quit, I'd say that twenty-five man raids would be the most common ones. Hyjal, Black Temple, Gruul's and the Sunwell Plauteu (sp?). The other common ones would be the Badge farming ones, like Kara and Zul'Aman, which're ten. I think most of the end game raids in Wrath'll be ten as well.

 

The only thing you put into progression and most of these milestones is time, so unless you do count ammount of time spent as accomplishment, they don't count as one. Again, IMO

 

I wouldn't say that. Giving a non-WoW example, what about StarCraft missions? After you've completed the each race's missions, finally resulting in the completion of all missions, don't you get that sense of accomplishment?

 

I do. Because it takes effort from me. Leveling in WoW doesn't

 

Only if you're choosing to level in lower areas than you should be. If you're doing everything effortlessly, then you should progress to an area where everything isn't effortless.

Levelling in World of WarCraft definitely does take a fair bit of effort.

 

You're saying that fighting mobs of your level (or even 1-2 higher) in WoW is a challange? I find that hard to believe somehow

 

I agree with ItzaHexGor. And Meee, if in WoW all you put into progression is time, how is that not true for most other games as well? Skill is still a factor in WoW, perhaps not as strongly so as in other Blizzard games, but it's still easy to underestimate the effect it does still have in this game as well.

And it's true: it's not that hard to find a challenge in the game. At all. To me, anyhow. Maybe that makes me a noob though?

I'm always confused about how so many fans of one franchise in Blizzard, or one genre (rts, mmo etc.) will be so strongly against another. I like all Blizzard games I ever played, and I don't see how anyone could feel differently

And I think WoW is a brilliant game, with countless options. Even if you want to be competitive, you have many ways to go about that, and you don't have to focus on just one aspect of the game per se to become good at it. IMHO.

 

My most recent experience with WoW was a mage. I'd get into casting range and press 3-4 buttons in pre-established order, or even randomly until mob died. Lots of effort there.

What I hate about WoW is mostly what it did with Warcraft lore, but speaking purely from gameplay I played for a time and enjoyed it.

I could argue with the "countless options" as well, do we want it?

 

what few people realize is that WoW added some great Lore as well(though someold lore could have been handled better)

Hakkar the bloodgod
teh curse of flesh
cenarion circle
un'goro and the silithid
gnomes vs. goblins
infinite dragonflight
and the list goes on...

 

I certainly like the countless options so do most people I know who play it, such as my friends and my mom (biggest addict I know).

And as I said, if you look for challenge in WoW, you'll find it.

 

I didn't say there's no challange (or skill involved) in WoW. I just said there's none in leveling.

I like countless options too! Shame I don't believe there's that much in WoW

 

There's a challenge in leveling when you're in Hellfire Peninsula, killing vultures for their wings or getting zeppelin debris and when you kill one vulture, it attracts another.

Eventually leading into the rape train, heading straight for you via buzzard railways.