Why is Diamond league neccesary?

yeah, placement matches shouldn't just place people straight into the top league. second-highest at best, and the top league should be for people who have played many more games and consistently win.

 

I don't see how it matters. If you make a higher league based off "luck" in your placement matches, then you will just get stomped back out of it relatively quickly. Its not like you get put in your league permanently. It is essentially one giant ladder roster in each division, just subdivided into the different leagues.

After the intial "settling" period, the people in diamond league ARE the top players in that division. The fact those players may not be the crazy good players people are expecting is just a result of:

1) there not being that many "elite" players in the ladder system right now, and

2) the existence of too many divisions (e.g. if you're 20th in diamond, but there are 200 divisions, then you're really only tied for 4,000th with 200 other people....and guess what, there will probably be MORE people playing when the game goes live and matures a little bit).

Hopefully when the games goes live there will be larger tournament "divisions" or something that either pull from multiple divisions or just have a larger overall pull. Given the WoW Arena model I expect the former. So you might be 10th in diamond league in your division, but come tournament time you're paired with 10 other divisions and you might only place 100th in the tournament.

 

It's relatively easy to not get kicked out of your league though. Sure if you're completely wrong for it you'll get stomped.

I just think they should make Diamond really hard to get into. If it was going to be the same exact thing, why did they even bother? All they've done is a rename, which just confuses people - what was the point?

Also, I think "diamond" league sounds pretty damn lame. Copper - Platinum was way, way cooler.

 

seriously, though, i don't think 5 placement matches can really help differentiate players into 5 different leagues.

i think they should just separate them into 3 leagues with the placement matches, and the very bottom and very top leagues are the ones you have to win/lose your way into.

 

I like this, and it is very compatible with my earlier suggestion of different sized leagues in line with the Normal distribution of player skills. All things being equal, most players would expect to win 2 or 3 placement games.

If the leagues are: Bottom/Copper (5%) ; Lower/Iron (20%) ; Middle/Silver (50%) ; Upper/Gold (20%) ; Elite/Khaydarin (5%)

Each league then covers a similar skill range, with a similar variance in player skills. So with 5 placement games:

wins : Placement
0,1 : Lower league
2,3 : Middle league
4,5 : Upper league

 

I like the above idea. It's thought out and makes very good sence.
But I wwould keep the bronze, silver, gold, Plat, Diamond Blizzard have now. Those names make sense. People know gold is better then silver etc. But what is Khaydarin is it wortk more or less then gold. You'd have to know SC2 to know it's worth. But you can tell anyone (even non SC2 players) you're in Bronze league and they knowe it's low or gold league and that's mid to high.

So in short use your idea but keep Blizzard's league names.

 

Platinum is no longer cool now. And Diamond is just lame. Bronze is kind of cool but it is the lowest.

As for the ladder system I don't see the point. If it was just one division it would still be virtually the same thing as if it was 200 divisions. It's all about ratings. A #1 1300 is below a #20 1500. Divisions are just neat little things. There is no way for the ladder system to go wrong as long as it's based on a good rating system. The divisions are meaningless. They are just kind of cool.

As far as the separate leagues go I'm not sure what the point of that is. It's not very necessary but it seems to be working fine.

Placement matches seem pretty reliable to me. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think the placement matches are random. First games are easiest...last ones are hardest. The last 1 or 2 games will be against platinum players. So it's not entirely luck on who you get put up against.

 

Isn't there a max cap per league of around 1,000?

If so it is just as easy to get "kicked out" (i.e. move down) a league as it is to move up a league, because every time someone in your division moves up a place you just moved down one.

If it seems relatively easy to not get kicked out of your league then that is probably because it is the league you belong in.

 

Glad to see they've actually done this now.

Going 5-0 in placement now gets you into Platinum - you have to work to get into Diamond

 

And the same should be said for loosing. Loose all 5 matches and you should be put into silver. And you have to loose your way into bronze. That's how I think it should be done.

 

I dunno I actually disagree with that. I think if you lose all your placement matches you belong in the bottom league.

But I think going 5-0 doesn't make you the "best of the best". I do think losing all 5 makes you worthy of Bronze though

 

I dunno I actually disagree with that. I think if you lose all your placement matches you belong in the bottom league.

But I think going 5-0 doesn't make you the "best of the best". I do think losing all 5 makes you worthy of Bronze though

 

The good luck involved in winning 5-0 is the same as the bad luck involved in losing 0-5.

Someone who should be in Silver League might just have had bad luck and lost 0-5.

That fact that most bronze league players don't stay in bronze league very long is good evidence that most of it's members have been incorrectly placed.

 

Or it could be that the learning curve for SC2 is really short. And after 10-15 games people tend to get good enough to move to silver league.

 

They removed it because ther is no "Copper" league unless its a league from World of Warcraft. Copper is just copper in starcraft. :wacko:

 

Dude... what?

 

The learning curve is indeed shorter then it was in the original game. However, there are not yet all that many "perfect" strategies and such to master. Don't forget that Starcraft was not hard to learn as well. It was only after a long period of playing, that certain people found near perfect play styles, and raised the bar for the community as a whole. I think we can be quite sure that similar things will happen with these sequels.

As for this whole rank subject: I'd play in a pink with yellow stripes league for all I care, as long as it's against equal players.

 

if you win all your placement matches, it doesn't necessarily mean, you'll be placed in diamond. It depends on who get matched up with. I think diamond is to make it even harder to be one of the best. Because there were a a bunch of noobs in platinum :/

gtfo scrubs

 

Okay, nobody mentioned the fact that they're completely revamping the AMM/ league placement systems...

thus, you cannot say that copper=bronze etc. it won't work that way. I'd like to think that they're trying to split platinum league into 2 leagues to narrow the skill range. And just merging copper and bronze, so that players DON'T move out of bronze so quickly.

So hopefully it'll look something like this

Copper+Bronze = Bronze
Silver = Silver
Gold = Gold
2/3 Platinum = Platinum
1/3 Platinum =Diamond

And now you CAN'T be placed in diamond, you have to win your way up. yay
All in all, I trust blizzard and hope that they post a detailed explanation of what each league means, what it takes to get into those leagues, etc.
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I am going to make this quick but believe me, anyone in the diamond league will agree with me, unless your a noob, because yes, there IS NOOBS in the diamond league. Why you ask, because i AM ONE, and i am fourth in my diamond division. LOL WTF IS THE POINT THEN. there should be no divisions, only a world rating. SOOOOOOOOOOOO STUPID.

p.s all games that were made after HALO 2 have very far inferior ranking systems, which can never match the competitiveness nor equality of its far superior match making system.