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Why are hybrids more powerful than...

Discussion in 'General StarCraft 2 Discussion' started by zeratul11, Jul 9, 2008.

Why are hybrids more powerful than...

  1. Smokiehunter

    Smokiehunter New Member

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    They are probably more powerful just because they are what they are, hybrids. This means that they get the power of the tos and the numbers of the zerg. How would you like it if a hydrolisks had shields and health that regenerates.
     
  2. SOGEKING

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    Remember a hybrid has less psionic emanation that a normal Protoss
     
  3. ItzaHexGor

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    @ Kimera757. You're right about the time-gap setting them back, and correct me if I'm wrong but this seems to be the only major issue, it's just been worded in several different ways, but I still feel that the Terrans would have advanced, militarily, beyond the UED after all this time. The Terran's single focus is the military. They may have been set back thirty to ninety years, but that leaves a hundred and forty to two hundred years of pure development. Not only would the UED not be pressured into developing at their full potential, but they wouldn't even be focused on advancing their military. The Terran have to put absolutely everything they have into their military, or else they're goners. Even with the set back, I can't see an ordinary society staying in front, military-wise, of a purely military-based society.

    @ Samir Souleyman. Just because the Hybrid may be psionically weaker than the Protoss, it doesn't mean it's weaker. It'd have the strength and purity of essence of the Zerg, making it far superior than the Protoss. Psionic emanation isn't everything.
     
  4. Kimera757

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    @Samir Souleyman. There's nothing to indicate the Hybrids are psionically weaker than the Protoss. Yes, the Hybrid Stasis Cell had minimal psionic emanations, but then, so did the High Templar Stasis Cell. This suggests that the Hybrids are on par with High Templar psionically.

    @ ItzaHexGor
    I think we'll just have to disagree on how fast Terran military technology can advance. After all, we're not talking real life here, and we have no good baseline to work with; is being behind ninety years, but then advancing for 110-170 years or so, going to put you ahead or behind? We don't really know, as that's never happened in real life (except see below).

    (In real life, any society that comes into contact with a more advanced society gains in technology very quickly. The most extreme example would be taking a child from a primitive culture and raising them in America. Well, they're going to be educated as an American!)

    However, while the Terrans may have been involved in civil war quite a bit, I don't think they were put into a situation of "advance or you're goners". We don't know if the Terrans were involved in all-out war at any time before the Guild Wars.

    The Confederacy military, if anything, was demonstrably undersized since the Guild Wars (ten years before StarCraft I started), which is why the Confederacy started begging people to join the military once the war with the Zerg and Protoss started (Liberty's Crusade and Nova) and even started kidnapping and resocializing innocent people (Speed of Darkness). They were described as "fat an sassy".

    The Terrans in general have only been in a "do it or you're dead" situation for four to six years (depending on the exact length of the two wars).
     
  5. ShoGun

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    One thing that will make the hybrids the most powerful race in starcraft 2 is to have the swarming capabilities like the zerg. A centralized intelligence won't do you much . . . unless you have an innumerable horde like the zerg do. Imagine psionic killing machines as strong as high templars in mass numbers that parr with the zerg.

    Maybe that artifact that zeratul spoke of in that demo is a catalyst for giving the hybrids that power, just a thought.
     
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  6. PancakeChef

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    If you combine the hyper-evolutionary strain of the Zerg with the DNA and Psi potential and capabilities of the Protoss you have a very dangerous and powerful combination.

    Even if its not as much Psi as the Protoss themselves it is most likely more than that of a Terran and especially more than a Zerg. Take Sarah Kerrigan for example she is a Terran with some psi ability and no Terran has the psi power of even one Protoss. She is also combined with the hyper-evolutionary Zerg strain and look how powerful she has become and she can even control the entire swarm with her abilities now... Imagine a PROTOSS combined with the same Zerg strain, that is quite the combination.

    Remember, the strength of the Zerg is not just their numbers but their hyper-evolution abilites and adaptations.
     
  7. zeratul11

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    i dont think the hybrids will come in swarm. i think they will be few but overpowered.but with the help of xelnaga, the hybrids will fight only on advantageous situation they will not fight just head on like the zerg.

    in ground battle hybrids will rule. but im still wondering how the xelnaga or hybrids can match up with the other 3 races space force.

    xelanga worldships would be good.

    @ UED vs TERRAN.

    i think the UED is way more advance than the terran. Aside from blizzard already said it, in broodwar when the ued came in terran sector they were considered a big threat also they did not mention anything about the terran tech being advanced and they should be shock or something if they were really behind in military technology.
     
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  8. PancakeChef

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    Well it would make sense the non UED Terran wouldn't be as advanced since they are just colonies etc and don't have access to main Terran resources etc,etc.

    I agree the Hybrids won't come in swarms unless they can breed somehow because Hybrids are of both Protoss and Zerg DNA.
     
  9. Juggernaught131

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    here is the entire speach i heard...

    Zeratul: I've...I've never seen a creature like this before...
    Adjutant: Test subject twenty nine, classified: Protoss/Zerg Hybrid, in perfect cryo-hybernation. Psionic emanations minimal.
    Zeratul: No...
    Duran: Magnificent isn't it?
    Zeratul: What? Who are you?
    Duran: I've had many names throughout the millennia, young prodigal. You would know me best as Samir Duran.
    Zeratul: Kerrigan's consort! Is this part of her twisted schemes?
    Duran: No. Young Kerrigan could not have engineered this grand experiment. Although her rebirth into the swarm has sped up my progress, I can assure you that this endeavor is quite beyond her narrow understanding.
    Zeratul: If you are not her pawn, then what are you?
    Duran: I am a servant of a far greater power. A power that has slept for countless ages. And is reflected in the creature within that cell.
    Zeratul: Have you any conception of what you've created here? Do you have any idea what this... this Hybrid is capable of?
    Duran: Of course I do. This creature is the completion of a cycle. It's role in the cosmic order was preordained when the stars were young. Behold the culmination of your history.
    Zeratul: All I behold is an abomination.
    Duran: Your violence, young prodigal, is typical. As is your inability to comprehend the greater scheme of things. You can destroy all of the specimens here. It will do you no good. For I have seeded the Hybrid on many, many worlds. You will never find them all before they awaken... And when they do... your universe will be changed... forever.

    I see this as a sign of the hybrids being the end times and they are not the xelnaga. If they were the xel's then Zeratul would not have been so purely scared as he hid in his ship afterwards,. he would have seen it as anothr war that they can win.This introduction of xelnaga may be the reason that the protoss has reopened their older weapons such as the collosus, but i do not see the hybrids being the xelnaga. I think that there are two things blizzard is goin to bring as a possibility for the hybrids. They will either be a sad ending with the hybrids being the end, or the more corny, humanity being the key to the universes safety and like the semi-epic, semi-corny ending SC1, someone like Raynor will have to sacrifice themselves to save the universe.

    The problem with how hybrids will fight air unitsw and travel... remember that they are a part zerg, so they can evolve at an exponential rate. The zerg has a flying unit, so why cant this Über unit evolve into a hyrid flier. It will be like ultralisk/archons with wings.
    I dont believe we will see much of the xelnbaga, as they used Duran to make the hybrids, why don't they use the hybrids o do their bidding. iow why get your hands dirty when someone else will happily do it for you.

    @ kimera they are human lol, of course they have been in major wars before then. THEY ARE HUMAN

    P.S. THe Chaos Theory proves the difference in tech levels between K-sector and UED.
    info on CHaos Theory: http://www.reference.com/search?q=chaos theory
    All it takes is for a small difference in the lives of the terran and the UED to create completely different lifestlyes. IE if the UED had some time of peace, then their war machine would have slowed, but stil would have been much MUCH farther ahead of the k-sector. They may even have different fighting technologies as little changes could make them change tactics. ie the UED may be a more defensive war machine (explaining the departure from earth without the uber guns) and not have the offensive capabilities the k-sector has. another factor is the change in time. This lapse of time in travel would create a lesser tech than the UED. A cxomparison of these in todays world would have to take place before the rise of easy information trasfer, like Ancient Iraq/Iran. The Sumarians lived in a way that they were peaceful and had little war machines while the Assyrians were warlike, and even though they were lesser teched, their war tech was greater and they overcame the sumarians
     
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  10. ShoGun

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    Good explaination on the UED vs K-sector terrans. I will have to check out the chaos theory; sounds interesting.

    I can't wait to see blizzard's portrayal of the hybrid creatures.
     
  11. SOGEKING

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    Do you think there will be a fourth campaign ? with the hybrid or the xel'naga ? will blizzard make a surprsie to add "the fourth race" in their site ? I doubt , even if I would like to see the fourth PLAYABLE race

    Hope to see the fourth race in starcraft ........ 3, in ten more years !!



    Anyway We saw big wars and battles inside the starcraft universe. There is now a balance between the Zerg, Terran and Protoss, even if we can say the Zerg are more advantaged by their numbers. But the other races have their potentials. They will show us their power.

    But we all know the phrase : to keep the best for the end. The best for me is the Hybrid. For me this unit, this race will, indeed, as Duran meant in the past, change the face of the universe. Their presence will modify the balance between the race, and all the three 'basic' races will be overwhelmed by the hybrids.

    Yes, the hybrids are more powerful than the other races. it's like reality, the real life we meet each day. We have our lives, we have our own enemies, we are born with some enemies, and suddenly another new enemy comes from nowhere and crush you and your basic enemies.
    He becomes your enemy and the enemy of your enemy.

    All the three races will capitulate towards the hybrids
     
  12. ijffdrie

    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    i see the xel'naga as techwise like the w raith from stargate

    @dont forget that subwarp doesnt mean the ued lvl, they probably had it for some timebefore sending the carriers, so maybe tha leaves 100-150 years(the beter, the hardr cause of more needed infrasructure nd rescources)
    and the ued still needed new powersources for civilans(and thosecould have been used for ships and weapons)
     
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