Units to be removed or revamped?

I hate that stupid little jumpy thing. Vultures should stay, but have a turreted weapon so you can shoot without turning around. Firebats just need a rebalance.

 

I like Fenix's suggestion regarding the Valkyrie's revamp. Keep the anti-air attack but give them some sort of siege ability (same way as WC3's Flying Machine, maybe?), that'll be fun.

But if we follow the storyline, aren't Valks (and Medics for that matter) UED-owned units? And since it'll be the Dominion that SC2 will focus on, Terran-wise, these two units might not return.

 

i dont agree
balance>story
thats not saying they wont remove these two units, but if they did it woudnt be becuase of there being no UED

 

That's true.
But you do agree that's a viable theory, right?
Dragoons were changed into Immortals because of a critical event in the story (the destruction of Aiur), so it might not be far off that other units can be changed/removed based on what happened during the campaigns. While it might not make sense for Blizzard to base their decisions solely on the outcome of the campaign, as you pointed out, I'm pretty sure it had some bearing.

 

Actually it's quite the coincidence now that you pointed that out.

Most people already believe that valks won't be back, or at the very least will be heavily modified.And then there's also the theory/hypothesis of medics not coming back based on the marines' new defensive shield upgrade.

Very interesting. owerup:

 

Well, the Medic and Valkyrie were first brought by the UED into the Koprulu Sector. It's pretty likely that the Dominion managed to acquire some Valks (They could have raided a UED base and stolen some, for example), and then began manufacturing some of their own. Likewise, they could have stolen Medic technology. Anyways, even if they didn't, they would probably have advanced far enough technologically to make Medics and Valkyries close to the originals.

 

well sort of,
I think if they can find a storyline reason to do it, then they will I.E. dragoons.
but if they cant then they will still do it, my point was that they probably dont consider the story first, the infestation of the dragoon place on auir could have any number of effects, they jstu decided on making immortals and stalkers.

So in the case with medics and valks, they wanted to make the game different from starcraft 1, so they change one of the fundemental ways terran plays. that just happens to tie in the story, its jsut lucky that the valkerie is a fringe anti air unit know one uses, (probably one of the not so good descicions when making broodwar)

Whislt writing this post, it occurded to me that what i was actually saying sounded like the "does god exist" argument you hear sometimes.

 

So far for sure, we have the Dragoon, Corsair, Scout, Shuttles, Firebats, and probably the Carrier being removed/replaced from the game. Any strong estimates as to what other units will probably be removed from the game?

My list of contenders:

Ultralisk
Queen
Vulture
Valkrie
Wraith
Arbiter

 

the scouts a goner

 

OMG THE ARBITER!?!?!? AND NOW I FIND OUT THE ULTRALISK AND THE QUEEN AS WELL?!!?!?! OMG BLIZZARD YOU ARE KILLING MY FAVORITE UNITS T_T. vulture and wraith are ok i guess. valk is not as much. DARN YOU BLIZZARD YOU BETTER MAKE ME FALL IN LOVE WITH BETTER UNITS *shakes fist* XP O.O SCOUTS TOO?!?!!? THEY'LL STOP AT NOTHING >.<

 

The scout, dragoon and corsair are 100% GONE. Read the profile for Phoenix on Starcraft2.com. It states it replaces the Corsair AND Scout.

 

Well if the wraiths gone whats gonna replace it? The battlecruiser can't take on responsibility for the whole fleet no matter how awesome it is.

 

wraiths ARE coming back in SC2! watch the 20 minute demo they ATTACK the mothership

 

I personally love wraiths and i dled that gameplay vid so im going to go check and see if there are wraiths in the demo. hold please....

 

Well my senses tell me that those units that get sucked into the black hole with the bcs are dropships. No mention of wraiths in the demo or anywhere else.

 

Hopefully the Ultralisk will stay. Sure it was hardly used in SC (Cause of enormous cost, poor movement and such), even though Brood War attempted to make them more useful with extra armor and faster speed.

Check out my ideas on further improving Ultralisks...
http://www.starcraft2forum.org/forums/index.php?topic=552.msg11656#new

 

clarify your sources joker... you're wrong. carrier is replaced by tempest. wraith stays.

 

There are lots of existing topic that discusses this already

http://www.starcraft2forum.org/forums/index.php?topic=72.0
http://www.starcraft2forum.org/forums/index.php?topic=382.0
http://www.starcraft2forum.org/forums/index.php?topic=313.0
http://www.starcraft2forum.org/forums/index.php?topic=498.0

I'm pretty sure there are plenty more......

 

The speculative list I made were based on logically reasoning, not confirmed sources. Please learn how to read properly.

 

There are wraiths in one of blizzards official starcraft 2 wallpapers...
Not that that means they will definitely be in but it does give them more of a reason to be in than other units that have not been shown at all.

http://us.media.blizzard.com/starcraft2/images/wallpapers/wall1/wall1-1920x1200.jpg

There are also some interesting looking craft to the right near the Marine's foot