Thor

@ Hillzagold , hey man, just a friendly reminder. Try to keep your quotes smaller than your post .

And thanks for pwning the argument. Ravings of a mad man, my friend... the ravings of a mad man..

 

I'm all for the idea of a jetpack, as it would be nice for Thors to be able to get around on island maps, unless it indeed is transportable. In that case, colossus would need a way to get around places, too, so I don't think it would be very fair. As for salvaging, I'd say that it's rather useless. I know it's built by an SCV, but that doesn't mean much other than that it's a huge unit. Battlecruisers are bigger than Thors, should they be salvageable? No.

 

making the thor salvagable by infantry units would be a good idea, but this setting was originally from cnc3 so the idea will look more like a rip

 

I dont think that post was really called for. The whole discussion wasnt turning into the mothership debate at all. I believe it turned out to be about the addition of some sort of super units such as the thor or mothership from different people perspective. Just dont be soo quick to step in and try and break things up for the sake of a power up

 

poignant just means it's mentally appealing, doesn't mean it's correct

 

i dont see why mobility is such an issue, the Thor isnt designed to be mobile, its meant to only be used in massive scale attacks, not a base raider. If you really want to use Thor on island maps then your just going to have to create a contain and then build it at the desired location.

 

Well the actuall conflict here is if the Thor should be as immobile as it is right now. I think it should stay immobile since it was designed like that. The incredible HP were "bought" like that. It is somewhat analougus to the discussion if Immortals should hit air.

 

Salvage not the thor.... ^_^

 

are you sure a thor can survive a nuke?

 

yep thats a guarantee coz thors have humongous hp and its about around 600-700hp from the thor thread ive read.. a nuke is about 500dmge so it takes two stones to drop 1 bird ^_^

 

Right now Nukes "only" deal 400 but most likely still 2/3 HP depending whats more. So yes Thors would survive nukes, yet would most likely loose all support.

 

did anyone saw the thor in action? did they have a video of this say from the previous blizzcon?

 

wow,then nukes arent so viable.i mean,even with less price and pop of the nukes,you still have to count that a nuke is generally usefull against an unexpected foe,because if you think that the enemy is going to nuke you make detectors so you avoid the nuke and also make him waste lots of resources.
you could argue that nukes while being less powerfull can be "massed",but its not that way as an enemy already hit by a nuke(which would still have his important buildings intact because of the low damage) will be under the threat of a second and will be much more centered in avoiding other possible nukes coming.
that low damage output of the nuke is really bad news (IMO)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Vs4LbScr0

 

@ The Vision , Since when does a post have to be "called for"? I posted some valuable information for you regarding a question you asked about the Mothership. I didn't do it for a powerup.

@ PSIchotic , that thread could certainly be deemed as "correct." It was commented on by a number of people whose opinions are valued highly on this forum. If you want to know something about the Mothership--its balance potential, its potential overlap of the Carrier, is debatable value as a super-unit--then I would suggest you read that thread.

@ GuiMontag , I'm glad someone actually finally posted a response to my suggestion that wasn't just "that's stupid." I agree with the fact that the Thor COULD just be built at a location, but then it would just have to be left there. I just think this is a little unfair to Terran players when there are Motherships running amok.

 

@Eskudero, welcome to the forums. Please read the forum guidelines before posting. Try to avoid making double posts, one after the other.

I disagree with the Thor remaining immobile, even though its HP is so high. It needs SOME way to be transported while maintaining balance. Mothership/Colossus=Mobile and yet the Thor is not??

 

Colossus and Mothership will have other disadvantages, like being targetable by both AG and AA. Arguing that the Thor needs to be more mobile beause the Colossus is won´t work.

 

Isn´t it even worse for Protoss since they can´t repair their MS? At what point would you wreck and rebuild it? Isn´t that the same issue?

 

Making the MS a super unit isn't imbalanced. Sure it is powerfull and cantake on a fleet but you can have one so while it is really powerful you can get a fleet of vastly greater power till you hit the pop cap.

As for the Thor mobility it isn't about it being fast and able to escape by flying. You all remember how slow the buildings moved in SC1? The Thor should move that speed. No way of it flying away from danger but enough to make it viable on island maps if you build it close to the edge. Remember your opponent will most likely own as much of island they are on as they can to prevent landings. As many times as you say it you can't JUST build on hostile territory How many times have you sucessfully built a building 5 feet from you enemy?

 

I agree that the Colossus has other weaknesses. But even with those weaknesses it is still viable on any part of the Battlefield. The Thor is not. Don't forget that the Thor has weaknesses as well, such as its turn speed and speed in general. It's not like it's an unbeatable unit. It's not fast, so units with a longer range than it can still punish it as it approaches. This unit already has significant weaknesses and should still be allowed to travel terrain which it cannot cross on foot.