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The case for a 4TH RACE on third game release

Discussion in 'General StarCraft 2 Discussion' started by Deus_ex_Machina, Feb 6, 2009.

The case for a 4TH RACE on third game release

  1. ninerman13

    ninerman13 New Member

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    The way I see it is Blizzard already has a perfect trifecta (there's that word again!) of races; there is no reason to risk screwing it up by adding a fourth.
     
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    I totally agree with Ninerman... Unless Blizzard comes with a really fantastic and UNIQUE new race, we are better without it ;-)
    The 3 races we already have couldn't be more unique, and different among them...
     
  3. ZealotInATuxedo

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    Is the Zerg-Terran-Protoss triumvirate supreme? Possibly. Why I resist a 4th race so strongly is that those crying for a 4th race do so for its own sake. The problem with acquiescing to their puerile desire is that once they've been granted a 4th race, they'll inexorably clamour for a 5th.

    Before adding a fourth race you ought to ask yourself: what are they bringing to the gameplay that is not offered in the original three? Then you must think of ways that you could implement these ''lacking'' features in the existing races. If you stumble across something that cannot be implemented in any of the three existing races, contact Blizzard immediately: you are a genius, and they want to hear from you.
     
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  4. Windblade

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    may i remind everyone that Blizzard introduced 2 new races in WarCraft 3? and if that didnt destroy, but in fact greatened, their original and dearest franchise....now, im pretty sure they can add atleast 1 unique race to StarCraft
    and zealot, same could be said of warcraft but hey they thought of 2 completely unique races for a game that had 2 different races! again SC is Sci-FI you can come up with any number of cool sci-fi-esque races
    in the end...blizzard does not care about the pro-sayers or con-sayers. blizzard will do what it wants, like LAN...*we have to stfu and deal with it

    the end.
    Edit: seem to have not typed key words
     
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  5. Darth_Bane

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    Wow, you sure got a big mouth on that face of yours Windy my boy. Try not to be so offensive and your opinion may actually matter. EDIT: Let me re-phrase that, it will be taken note of by others in a much more positive manner.

    Yes Blizzard will do what it wants, and what it wants money. It wants to make games for the community of their fans to enjoy. As you have found out that the great majority of the fans of SC would not agree with a 4th race being introduced. First off Blizzard listens to their fans, no matter how much you think otherwise the many, many examples of this might as well make it a fact. Yes that is true, you can make a slew of sci-fi-esque races that are of reasonable quality. But you will rarely find races as refined as those of the Zerg, Protoss, and Terrans. Seeing as the Zerg are basically a dumbed down version of Tyranids, Terrans are just humans with cool tech, and the Protoss as I have seen are the only unique race to this franchise. They mesh together in almost a near perfect unison, to create a legacy of war, heroes, drama, suffering, hope, courage, deceit, and hate.

    You will also take note of the fact that SC2 is not WC3 and doesn't have a large number of races because its supposed to be balanced.
     
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    i think a human/zerg race drawing a la kerrigan but with their own completely unique units would be cool :)
     
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    WC3's balance is fine. Not SC fine, but if there ever was a runner-up, it'd be WC3.

    I'm pretty convinced as well that there will be a 4th race in the 2nd expansion. By then, Blizzard can focus on having 2 huge campaigns in the box instead of just one because all the technology and whatnot has been figured out.

    Those thinking it's impossible to have a 4th race as "unique" as those currently in SC truly underestimate human creativity. The real issue is always time and money (both of which Blizzard will have plenty of by the time the 2nd expansion rolls around).
     
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    Blizzard also likes it stories...and lore will dictate a 4th race, otherwise we question why bother making more sc if theres nothing brand new. Sc3 same races? Ppl will be bored a
    nd not bother. Btw for the 4th i say xel'naga and/or hybrids because sc2 is a big introduction of them into this pocket of the universe, so the story elements you listed now involve these 2 (or will they be 1)? Race(s)
    Like all developers blizzard does listen but like all ppl, ppl resist change and as a developer blizzard will, and has taken that at-first unpopular choice and made it extremely cool

    i also agree on the fact that, if the 4th race isnt unique from the other 3, no point in it, period, as such i assume blizzard can and will make the xel'naga, hybrids, or whoever unique and fitting and a thrill to play.
    I agree wc3 isnt as balanced, be that due to hero system or bringing in 2 new races at the same time, but its still a world phenomenon. and hey it brought us DotA, WORSHIP IT!!!! xD
     
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  9. ninerman13

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    @ Diablos Dungeon - I would be willing to bet all of my minerals (hahaha) that Blizzard will not introduce a fourth race in either of the Starcraft II expansions. They will be covering the Xel 'Naga and the Hybrids in the single-player campaigns, so we will most likely see a 'fourth race' of sorts there, but there will be no new fully playable for multiplayer version. Each expansion's goal is to add a very detailed, rich campaign for each race, and maybe one or two extra units. Blizzard has already stated their intentions not to add an entire race.

    All of this fourth race discussion at this point really only matters for Starcraft III, which is honestly so far out of the picture right now it's pretty much irrelevant.
     
  10. Windblade

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    of course, SC2 is a build up to SC3...well i assume so....

    and yes if blizz was making a 4th playable race in the next expansion or 3rd one...1 xpansion per year my butt
     
  11. Sueco

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    Protoss = Powerfull individuals. Purity of form. Advanced Psionic technology.

    Terran = Weak individuals. Psionic potential. Crude but versatile industrial technology.

    Zerg = Non individuality. Singlular consciusness. Purity of essence. No psionic powers. Biotechnology.

    These cyberorganisms you talk about would steal themes that already belong to a race. The protoss already have advanced robotics. The Zerg monopolize the singular consiousness theme. The terran already have a strong "mech" feeling to them. Not a strong gameplay case.

    Besides the only real argument for a fourth race is to have more choice. As any marketing executive will tell you, more choice can sometimes be a bad thing, as having many similar products induces choice anxiety, having a few well defined ones is better.

    The benefits of adding more races are small, and the risks are huge. I have a hard time envisioning how they could possibly be cooler than the ZPT trifecta.
     
  12. Windblade

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    well, the way i see it

    neither the Zerg, Protoss, or Terran represent the Xel'Naga or their style, i believe the only resemblance between the protoss and the XN are the architecture for the nexus's.

    otherwise we dont know what the xel'naga are like, we assume highly technological and possibly psionic but they are still above and beyond the protoss

    the hybrids...we do not know ANYTHING, we assume they would be a mesh of Z and P in gameplay, but who says so? blizzard is ingenious and they could make them very unique, of course we arent paid creative teams, directors or producers...so our mindset it dfferent
     
  13. ninerman13

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    We assume they would be a mesh of Zerg and Protoss because they ARE a mesh of Zerg and Protoss.

    **side note at Windblade** I am very much enjoying this discussion even though at this point we have pretty much debated this subject to death, hahaha.
     
  14. Windblade

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    im sick of debating this now, because for all we know hybrids will be night elves!! WOOO
    lol

    btw why do we assume so really, they arent being influenced by either, if in fact the xel'naga are nurturing the hybrids then they would be based off xel'naga tech or architecture
     
  15. ninerman13

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    Well we assume because Duran is splicing Zerg and Protoss DNA together to even create the Hybrids, so by definition they have to have both Zerg and Protoss qualities.

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo.
     
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    Its quite obvious there will be no new race, just sub races...
     
  17. Darth_Bane

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    Take note of the, ass-u-me part of assume. It makes you and me look like asses. Fortunately I am a woman and I am fine with my ass.

    You have a valid point on the fact that Blizzard loves its lore, but I am still going to answer with Blizzard LOVES its money much more than lore. And a fourth race will kill the SC universe FOREVER! Do you really want to be blamed for that Windy? Do you? Well if it happens it will be your fault. I will also give you ALL of my credits if they make a fourth race, but thank goodness that won't happen. Seeing as I want a Nullifier pet next (or whatever the **** BigB changed to this time, but Nullifier is the best one so far) and me loosing all my credits would set me back very much so, that won't happen.
     
  18. PancakeChef

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    I don't even see why this is still being discussed, we already know Blizzard isn't gonna make a fourth race as they said they want to focus on the original 3 and making them unique.

    Why would you even want a fourth race? Terran, Zerg, and Protoss is enough as it is and is already taking them long enough to balance just them.
     
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    We all Assume this 4th race will be playable by the player. It could be Naga-esque and be a non playable race just there for lore purposes. The SC story kind of says the ZPT trifecta are the only 3 races of any significance in this part of the galaxy. Though a good idea I think it's not very plausible. I think a few random partially made races could be in the game if anything to say hey this SC universe if full of life.

    Of course our ZPT would just slaughter these meager little races but more often than not I think they'd just be collateral damage in the ZPT wars.
     
  20. PancakeChef

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    I thought this thread was about a 4th playable race, as in an addition to the 3 races that are already there not lore wise or computer controlled etc.