Scared Zerg?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but how many hydralisks are computer-literate? She has no cerebrate, no Ethan Stewart, nothing like that. Only one queen appeared in the entire campaign, so presumably they just weren't ready yet to help out.

 

Somewhat my point; what about Infested Terrans? They can still speak, why not send them to help out...

Im only trying to point out that she made it personal when she could easily have sent a number of minions to do the job faster. I assume Infested Terrans can read, I find it reasonable, thats just one point though.

 

The terrans can read, once they are infested they are just a mindless body controlled by a zerg thingy who cant obviously read

 

In 2259 3 ships carrying 32,000 Humans from earth landed on 3 planets in the Koprulo sector.

The end of Guild wars (which happened right before starcraft 1) happened in 2489.

230 years.

Lets review the history of the United states demographics in the last 200 years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Population_Graph_-_1790_to_2000.svg

From 1790 to 2010 the US had a population growth from estimated 2,000,000 people to 310,000,000. A growth of 15,500% (most of which out of immigration, NOT BIRTH, but I'll be large with you).

Lets project it on the Koprulo sector: 15,500% of growth from 32,000 is 4,960,000.

LOL.

"...40 to 100's fringe worlds..." that means Kerrigan encountered what? A family on each planet? Gee what a tough battle. Kerrigan must have had a real hard time in this last invasion. And you have forgotten that developed and highly technological countries have a much much much lower birth rate (the current western world birth rate is 1.92% a year and is projected to decline in the following century) It's almost impossible that there are 13 Terran worlds and you're talking about "...40 to 100's fringe worlds...".

Now I remind you, the human population, even if numbered much higher, simply can't reach the very generous numbers you're giving it. Most certainly after 3 (!) major wars in the last decade alone! (the guild wars, the starcraft war and the brood war). There is no way in hell the Terrans, after only 4 years, have a vast empire over 100's of worlds, whether "core" or "fringe", that can possibly withstand against the Zerg swarm WHICH ONLY GOTTEN STRONGER IN THE SAME 4 YEARS!!!!!!

That is not logical nor realistic and the reason why the story is very bad.

Now lets review the events, beacuse you haven't foretold them accurately; you have forgotten the mission on the mobius planet, where a small group of rebels aided by a bunch of scientists where able to stop the Queen of Blades alone. Of course.

You have forgotten that on char, after they "landed and were salvaged cobbled together and maintained a defensive position" they also sent forces and were able to destroy the ENTIRE zerg air defense forces / the ENTIRE zerg nydus channels system, WITHOUT ANY MAGICAL ARTIFACTS, WHILE THEY SIT AND MAINTAIN A POSITION IN THE SAME TIME ON THE ZERG PRIMARY HIVE CLUSTER.

Of course. Logical.

You have also slipped the fact that Kerrigan is not an idiot. At the end of Brood War, in Omega mission she was so vastly outnumbered it's scary and even though, she beat the crap out of everybody. So now that she is LEADING she can't even handle a small group of rebels with an invalid 1/2 dominion fleet? This is ridicules.

The problem is, that even though YOU don't think she's stupid, the WRITERS think she (and us) are. This is not the Kerrigan WE know, all she can do is say "ha ha ha I am the queen of blades muaaaaa" not to actually manipulate, lead and win like the REAL Kerrigan of Brood War.

The story is ruined - the entire plot which surrounds around her disinfection is moronic - Kerrigan is herself! That's the beauty!

I never said "..think that because the overmind LOOKS ugly it has to be evil.." He is evil because that's how they made him and that's how he was in Starcfat, which now they retcon it, but even that's not the point. Starcraft 1 without brood war is not that good.

Brood War's plot (where there is no Overmind) is the masterpiece - we had a real magnetic and interesting story. There were no "evil" or "good" or "prophecies" or "end of the world" crap. We had real people and real personalities - Kerrigan is not evil she's just kerrigan. Loosing the Zerg DNA should not change that.

The Tychus addition - once again pure anti logic: how can he work for Mengsk (that can appear on him as a hologram and see everything) and Mengsk would still loose and be hurt so many times by the rebels - HE HAS A FREAKING CAMERA ON EVERYTHING JIM DOES AND HE STILL LOOSES TIME AFTER TIME TO THE REBELS?

Of course! he wanted it to happen so Jim could kill Kerrigan! Logical! Mengsk is risking so much cause he thinks a small rebels group could actually defeat the Queen of Blades herself. Of course how couldn't I see it before.

Magical artifacts, floating ghosts, evil prophecies, the "purification" of possessed, oops I am sorry "infested" people. The kichi lines, the low comedy brakes (how many times can I see Kate Lockwell being shut before she can say how Jim is good - it was amusing the first time, but the 100's time?!), the insignificant and uninteresting NPC's.


It's like a very bad sequel movie.

 

So... a very interesting thread. I think you guys are arguing on two different points and not realizing the missed similarities.

One side is arguing that the Zerg's "terror" doesn't match up to the actual storyline, which is true.

The other is trying to rationalize something that should be taken for granted: the Zerg's four-year withdrawal.

What I can certainly point out is that both sides of the argument are correct. I'm not necessarily knocking Blizzard's storyline. I feel as though I enjoyed it. But I also can agree with the OP in that the story didn't live up to Brood War expectations. It seems as though a truly epic story was taken and dismantled into the parsimonious and choppy story of Raynor and his raiders fighting against the establishment (again).

The whole thing was more of a development of Raynor's character than anything else. The broad, sweeping, over-arching storyling simply wasn't there. Perhaps the most significant portion of the campaign were Zeratul's missions which were much more hardscrabble than all of the rest. Fighting off a never-ending alien swarm with limited resources when you're doomed to fail anyway? Awesome.

The whole Char debacle for the Terrans? Really not all that awesome.

There were some defining moments in the campaign that could have played out a more significant role for the player in the story, such as the Dominions defense against the Zerg attacks on the outlying worlds. The player really had a very insignificant role in that and it was never really resolved.

What happened in that Zerg offensive? They just backed off....? It really might have suited things better if the Zerg were systematically dismantling the Dominion and the Protoss and everyone else and Raynor was just trying to salvage what he could. Instead, it came off more that the Dominion was holding its own, the Zerg are weak, and I really don't see what all this doomsday crap is about when we're achieving all of our goals.

That would also have made the Char offensive much more compelling and make a lot more sense. The Dominion had to join forces with Raynor (Valerian is clearly disobeying his father because he knows he's an insane madman). Valerian makes the decision to join up with Raynor because the Dominion is doomed by the Zerg (as is everything) and they make a last-ditch try to use this artifact to kill/destroy Kerrigan.

I honestly don't know why 99% of the story was finding the dumb artifact and fighting with Kerrigan over it. It would've been better if they just had to deal with this massive Zerg invasion while trying to find the artifact and Kerrigan knew nothing of the artifact, only the prophecy related to Zeratul.

So basically let me lay out the changes I think would've made the perspective much more interesting:

1. Kerrigan knows about Zeratul's prophecies but not about the Xel'Naga artifact

2. The Zerg are invading everywhere and wiping planets out left and right, invading the core worlds, etc.

3. Everyone is doomed unless the Zerg can SOMEHOW be defeated

4. Valerian disobeys Mengsk, joins with Raynor for a last-ditch assault on Char with what they have left, that succeeds thereby alleviating some of the threat.

5. Too much Hybrid crap, they should've been an ominous force in the background rather than this huge threat in the first of three campaigns.

 

I agree mostly.

I do not mind the 4 year gap - that's even logical since Kerrigan is not "evil" and her plans aren't necessarily to murder everybody; but still that is how they portray her and even THAT small role she can't perform.

I did like the Zeratul missions, but overall I do not like this plot - it should have been somehow different. In any case I think nothing can top Brood War, so I presumed it had to be something less good, but to THIS LOW level I didn't expect.

As I've said the entire "disinfection" storyline is lame - and is the reason for this entire game/campaign that surrounds only around this issue: artifact + disinfection (and the reason why kerrigan's invasion is unnoticeable, why they quickly win and disinfect her - since blizzard need that for later use so they quickly arrange it and ignore anything else).

Let me tell you what I think should have been:

The zerg swarm is still quite and no expedition returns from char.

The Human campaign surrounds around Jim Raynor, the crippling Dominion and a new empire being built by a mysterious prophet that never shows his face (which is secretly Duran).

While the Protoss campaign surrounds around Zeratul which was lost in a black hole / time loop and after a few missions (of all the end of the world crap prophecies and etc.) he returns to Shakuras only to find Rasagal alive (!) (again that is not her but an agent of the "others" like Duran is) - this Rasagal has "seen the light" and wants to enforce a new kalahi onto the entire Protoss race (which is really bad for them) and prepares for a crusade to wipe out everything in the Koprulo sector.

why? so the Terran and Protoss fight each other and the Zerg, while the "others" take them all down.

Zeratul realizes this, hooks up with Raynor (Mengsk is somehow in the picture as well) and confirm that Kerrigan is the Key to save them all.

From this point the events turn to a Zerg invasion and the "others" invasion and Kerrigan (which is STILL INFECTED) saves everybody in the Zerg campaign but she herself gets hurt and is dieing.

Now think about it - the last scene: INFESTED Kerrigan is dieing (she took too much DPS) and Jim is holding her while massive Zerg forces run to their Queen and circle around them - the only thing stopping them from ripping Jim apart is her last breathes;

and she's like "go Jimy save yourself"
and he's like "no I won't leave you"
and who save's his a** and forces him to go? Yes yes it's Mengsk!

Now that's a good story! I could have shed a tear from such an ending..

It also fits perfectly - once she's the killer of everybody and now she's the savior.. all the time being INFESTED! What a tortured soul. Kerrigan (INFESTED KERRIGAN) is the Heart of Starcraft, but they've ruined her.

 

They didnt stop her, they just reached the main building before she did where all the backup data was stored. Kerrigan didnt get there on time because she had to destroy all the buildings that also had data

 

and the small group of rebels were able to do that AND get away alive from the queen of blades herself that outmaneuvered both the Dominion, the UED and the united Protoss race?

logical.

 

Well you do have to take into account that Jim himself has never been bested by Kerrigan. He wasn't involved in the battle between Kerrigan, the UED, Artanis, and Mengsk.

So it's quite plausible he'd be able to best her since he knows her so well. That's not my issue with the story. And also I feel your suggested story is SO far off track that it would be unachievable. And you're moving past WoL into the finale of the third StarCraft II campaign. Seeing as how events have moved as far as your entire story in just the first chapter, I don't think it fair to speculate on how bad the story will be in the next chapter.

To be fair the storyline in the original StarCraft was rather bland, only livening up when Brood War came about. So it's quite possible it could happen again in either of the upcoming chapters.

 

No, but he was beaten by her in the first Starcraft on Char when she only hatched and it doesn't matter - the odds of what happened are still small.

How exactly is it far fetched? This entire "others" coming to kill everybody with floating ghosts, magical artifacts and mama tereza eye ball isn't far fetched? LOL

I 100% agree about starcraft and brood war, but brood war is a sequel - an entirely new plot - this game's plot is already written for all 3 chapters which are probably just as worse as this game's plot - a real far fetched plot that could have been, ad least, presented better.

Duran making a new human force out of the brood war rubbels is far fetched?

Rasagal or somebody else for that matter that convinces the protoss to succumb into a new kalhai and to "purge" all the sector for the greater good is far fetched?

Kerrigan which acts at the end because of the hybrids invasion and saves everybody is also far fetched?

I think it's much more realistic then her invading doing nothing but talk talk talk imaginary damage and then stopped by a silly artifact that also zaps her with a pinky rainbow so that only THEN she could fight the Hybrids. what do you know.. genius.

 

First off to Joneagle_x's point, I also agree mostly....

Basically the thing of it is the story mode has shifted drastically from sc1, and bw and thats where a lot of the problems are stemming from. Basically in Sc/Bw, each game had more stories, more missions, and constant briefings from "higher powers" who knew more about the goings on and explained them to you.

In SC2, we play the role of (basically) Raynor, who sees everything through tunnel vision, operates on insufficient intel, and really has noone to explain anything to him. The only intel that we get through the entire game on the zerg invasion is occasional back and forth with the crew members who reference the other source of intel, the news.

I think that its obvious to ANYONE who plays that the news network is an incredibly biased and one sided propaganda machine. I always kinda assumed that the zerg were pushing much farther then you ever heard, and that the dominion was buckling under the weight. The news did after all say that the dominion had withdrawn from ALL the fringe worlds.

For your last 5 points I think 1-4 pretty much that all of those were the case, we just didnt see it from our point of view.

On point 5, I can see you feeling that way, however the only place the hybrids make a showing is during the prophecy mission where only one is seen. The place where the hybrids are everywhere is in the future in the "vision" Otherwise Raynor only encounters one hybrid in a similar manner to Zeratul in HIS secret mission.


On to Muaddib, your parallel of Us population growth is interesting, but flawed. First off, the main inhibition to human population growth is human population. While that may sound convoluted look at it this way. the typical human couple is CAPABLE of having 10-12 children on average. This is generally not the case because of population pressures, and lack of room. However, in a frontier situation with virtually infinite real estate WITH modern (or actually better then modern) medical care the human race could more then QUINTUPLE its population roughly every 20 years. (quintuple = increase by fivefold)

That would mean something on the order of a human population of... 32,000 times 5, 11.5 times =... 97,656,250,000,000, or... Ninety Seven Trillion Six Hundred and Fifty Six Billion Two Hundred and Fifty Million.... PLENTY to populate thousands of planets much less hundreds.

Now obviously, I don't think there are that many Terrans, but even if theres only one TENTH, or hell a HUNDREDTH then theres plenty.

In so far as the moebius mission, Kerrigan is a badass, shes not a god. She cant kill an army by herself (unless shes been killed 4 times already on brutal mode in all in) And shes not omniscient. She was trying to access the data cores, and had no idea which buildings they were in, as such she was making a blanket approach. Could she have done it better? Of course, was it kinda a REALLY bad idea on her part? Yes, however the most intelligent military GENERALS (which kerrigan is not) make mistakes, why cant she?

On char once again small commando force achieving what army cant ya dee ya dee ya, granted its been done before but its a very VERY used plot point which has time and time again been done in games, movies, and real operations. Perfectly PLAUSIBLE mabye not LIKELY, but thats the thing. Look at Star Wars one, I think a lone ship taking out a planet sized star base is also abit farfetched.

In so far as Mengsk not squashing jim, he says it himself. He would become a martyr, and Mengsk would no longer be able to blame his atrocities on the raiders.

In so far as Tychus, I dont know, it does seem a bit Deus ex Machina, but by the same token I will reserve judgement. I do know that tychus did not WANT to do his mission, and also I dont believe there was a camera, I believe there was only a sensor that relayed his location and state of being.

Anyway once again, the story is incomplete yes, its not necessarily bad just because it makes no sense why someone would do something. We still have 2 more chapters to flesh it out and give more of a backdrop on what actually happened behind the scenes.

 

Interesting Idea.

Let's review.

Arcturus Mengsk: 1 sister named Dorothy.

Sarah Louise Kerrigan: no known siblings.

Jim Raynor: no known siblings.

Jim and Lidya Raynor: 1 son - Jon Raynor.

Matthew "Matt" Horner: 1 sibling: Kenneth Cole Horner.

Ryk Kydd: a friend of raynor) 1 sister- Tara Bennet.

Oh Oh how could I have forgotten. November Annabella "Nova" Terra: 2 siblings: Clara Terra (sister), Zeb Terra (brother).

oh my goodness.. 3 (!) children (I'd say we're getting very near 10-12)

I am sorry. The average Terran family is the average WESTERN Earth family with 1-3 children. No 10-12 children.

The Terrans didn't populate any "fringe" worlds until the writers wanted to create a "scary" Zerg invasion that doesn't really destroy anything nor interrupts with the disinfection of Kerrigan. And the funny thing is.. they probably haven't even noticed the mistake they have done.. cause it's like with the Eradar/Sargaras corruption mistake when Chris Metzen simply said.. "oops I've forgotten".

It's like warcraft 1; Azeroth was the entire map, then all of a sudden came Warcraft 2, zap out of nowhere the "7 kingdoms".

And then we have the expansion pack: Zap a NEW world - Draenor.

Warcraft 3? Yep you got it right, Kalimdor AND Outland! (cause Draenor was never REALLY destroyed)

These are all retcons that can be "explained" if needed: especially by all the people that come along with all this bizarre theories like the 10-12 children. When it comes to Warcraft, I don't mind, cause the lore wasn't that good anyway and the games served their purpose of new original and good games.

Starcraft was very very good with a very good plot - better then many books / films - and now comes this.. so average game and plot.. it pains me. The game is exactly like the first with different units and slightly better graphics. Sure it's fun to play the multiplayer but.. come one. I knew it's gonna ruin it.

Now about Tychus - nobody said to KILL Raynor and make him a martyr, but ad least inform Mengsk about Raynor's operations so Mengsk could sabotage it, or more logically sabotaging it HIMSELF - he's a freaking spy with a gun to his head that his master knows every move of and can kill him in any second, I think it's quite logical for him to act against Raynor and sabotage his missions.

Recall very good the last scene at the end - Mengsk appears with a giant hologram head above Tychus that LOOKS STRAIGHT AT KERRIGAN AND THEN TELLS HIM TO KILL HER.

If THAT'S not a camera then I don't know what is.

A commando mission that is able to take down the ENTIRE Zerg air defenses on their primary Hive Cluster (without magical artifacts). Sure.

Why can't you understand this entire story is.. like a big hole.. a Void - it had no purpose but to serve one cause - how to solve the Kerrigan infestation "problem" - all the missions come down to that point. Which is the worst part! Cause the Infested Kerrigan from Brood War IS Starcraft. And now she's gone. What a shame.

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First off the 10-12 children thing is not a "bizarre theory" its a statistic, its a fact that the average human female is CAPABLE of producing that many children. Whether or not the 15 or so people you mentioned are from large families or not is irrelevant.

Furthermore you seem to be unable to separate things which are not mentioned, with things that don't exist. IE. Warcraft talked about the kingdom of Azeroth, and never talked about Lordearon because well... it was irrelevant to the plot. If I made a game about medieval earth set in Europe then north and south America would not be there, why?? Because they make no difference.

Sc1, and BW never mentioned the Fringe worlds because they made no difference to the plot. Does it matter if the developers thought of them BEFORE sc2? No. Does it matter that they never played a part UNTIL SC2? No. Adding to a plot that is already in development, is perfectly fine so long as it does not affect parts that are already established. The 13 core worlds are not affected by the fringe worlds, and the fringe worlds are logical, so why should they not be there? Its perfectly reasonable that they have never been mentioned, since all of the missions in sc1 and bw were mission briefings why would they talk about worlds outside of the current mission?

Once again you completely ignored my point about the manipulation of the nbews media. Like I said I believe the zerg did one HELL of alot more damage then was let on in the story. Once again you no longer have an idea of the "big picture" its now seen through raynors eyes which by necessity are not all seeing. Assuming that you KNOW what happened outside of the specific missions you completed is a trap you seem to have fallen fully into.

Unlike sc1 and bw sc2 is rife with misinformation, and its an incomplete story of course, it still has 2 more chapters to go.

Once again I don't know what to think about Tychus, I cant really defend him, and hes the only really weak point I see in the story. Granted he IS cool, and all but it certainly seems very fishy. By the same token though, BECAUSE of the lack of information regarding it I am reserving judgement.

 

i think i understand something about tyhcus. Having a camera from so far away would be ridiculous. he probably just had a sensor which told mensgk where they were, also, when the last cinematic is shown and tychus talks to mengsk he says "you heard all that" so that implies they were talking through some type of cellphone or mic. and i think mengsk didnt told tychus to sabotage the missions because raynor could find out and his plan for tychus to kill kerrigan. Also, if mengsk prepared for every attack on the dominion then raynor's forces would be shattered since they would be ready before they got there and they would never have been able to reach char and get a chance for tychus to kill kerrigan.

PS. i think that this is the best debate i have found in this forum and i think both are right though i have to suppor reldric since i really like the story.

 

Woo hoo I got a Kudo!

Hehe, I don't really think that its fair to make a stand on Tychus one way or the other. The problem is whether it was a microphone/camera/instatelerelay is kind of a moot point. His character did act extremely strange based on what his order presumably were. Also, if it was only an holographic image projector with a what amounts to a GPS, then why on earth wasn't it upgraded farther?

Like I said Tychus is just a strange part of the story, and he really never does anything except for provide comic relief in the form of duke nukem in a power suit. Sadly enough while I do enjoy the story as a whole, and support it Tychus is the one weak spot that I really cant rationalize. Oh well, hopefully they will sew up his actions somewhat later on.

 

I have already addressed the argument - it's even more anti logical..

How could Mengsk be willing to risk everything on then notion that a small group of rebels would kill Kerrigan? That is so .. silly.. it hurts human logic.

Mengsk didn't know Raynor was going to go after her nor could have he possibly suffer all the blows he took so a small group of rebels could invade char. That is ridicules (and he DID NOT know that 1/2 of the dominion fleet is going to join so do not even mention it!)

Now most of the blows I understand.. but the mission on Korhal; the media blow? How could he have allowed such a thing? And he KNEW about it before hand cause the raiders took the computer in the big train robbery mission.

So again it simply makes no sense what so ever.

 

The statistic doesn't match reality - you have seen that the average family in the koprulo sector isn't like you say and YES it is relevant and I WILL base it on the only families we know, each coming from a DIFFERENT planet.

IE. You know very well that those are story retcons / editions just so they could write something. I am not saying it's bad, but it still changes reality in a way that sometimes can't be explained or the explain is FAR FETCHED - and THAT is the issue.

Like the Sargaras / Erader corruption story or the Draenei race retcon.

These things are annoying if they make the story unlivable and make you lift your eyebrows thinking: "like what the f***? they only had 13 planets and they were 32,000 people how is it exactly 100's of planets and billions of people after 3 wars in 10 years ?????? WTF ??????"

If they have time to talk about the tape broadcast and they are not busy counting the dead

then NO, the damage she did is not high enough. THEY BARELY EVEN TALKED ABOUT THE WAR IN THE NEWS! If the war had serious casualties in the major worlds there is no way in hell the news would not talk about it - that is the future for god's sake their internet is highly developed then ours.

NOTHING CAN BEAT THE MASSES!!!!!!!!!

And stop blaming the media it's not that propagandized look at how Kate Lockwell blames Mengsk after the tape is reveled - it's almost as free as any media we know today. Even danny vermilian is like "what I had a brother in Tarsonis" come on this is ridicules, this is not Mengsk controlled.

 

all the participants are doll and anti interesting actually.

again it feels like a very bad movie.

 

How could he mengsk have known what would they do with the message in the computer. even if he could have "GUESSED" what they were gonna do how could he have known when and where. also, it took some time after they stole the computer because first you have to visit orlan, then, it was a surprise attack becaus tychus stole the odin and destoyed that base before anyone found out that the odin had been stolen. so it was a big surprise, and when the mission media blitz happens you see how mat says that they will send everything they've got to stop them.

And you probably will says that tychus should have warned Mengsk about the attack but we dont know that. we dont know the relationship between tychus and mengsk. for all we know, mengsk set him free and just told him go kill kerrigan. maybe tychus hates mengsk as well. WE DONT KNOW. its only the first of 3 parts. and im not saying that that's the way it happened. there are a million possibilites to rationally explain tychus role. We just need to leave it to blizzard to explain it to us later.

 

Err..... First off the statistic DOES match "reality" You may not feel it matches events "in game" but trust me, "reality" and the game are a bit different... lets not forget that. Second, I threw that out there as a possibility, once again perfectly in line with the universe we know. If the sector experienced the sort of growth im talking about for ONLY 3-4 generations then that would still be 20 million or so after 80 years. leaving 150 years for a comparatively slow growth rate could still easily have several hundred million.

Next historically wars are good for population growth, so 10 years and 3 wars wouldn't really slow down the population all that much. Next you seem to be under the misconception that the internet is completely and utterly free. Its not, the internet makes keeping things secret very DIFFICULT, but not impossible by any means. Furthermore the confederacy had a massive stranglehold on the entire human population for its entire existence. The dominion merely intensified it. If the internet even exists in the sc2 universe (no evidence whatsoever either way) then it could easily be manipulated to do what the powers that be want it too.

Once again, the media was in the pocket of Mengsk, after the media blitz it broke down sure, but until that point Kate who was obviously a sympathizer was not permitted to say anything against the dominion. Furthermore, Kate was the only one who said just about anything about the war. Donny brushed past it with airy confidence every time.

During WW2, soviet radio constantly praised its military efforts and promised victory around the corner, battles that were lost were not mentioned, and any skirmish that was won would be inflated to show confidence, and keep the fervor amongst the populace. That is was I feel is happening in the story.

Correction, on the whole nothing can beat the masses. Nothing can beat the masses if they figure out what the hell they want to do and can get off their butts to do it. Unfortunately that rarely happens.