[SC2F] BlizzCon Ticket QUESTIONS THREAD!

And if you could read, i already said that I didnt think i deserved to win.
And again Learn to Read because i didn't say it was a conspiracy or pre-planned.
So dude, next time put more preparation and thought into your post.
At least have something that adds to the conversation even a little somewhere in your post.

 

So, in other words, you're saying that Hyperion members shouldn't have been able to win. As I said, that's more biased than anything that went on with voting. Voting wasn't a collaboration, it was all done both individually and anonymously.

Anyway, I've been thinking about it for a fair bit, what with all the commotion it's caused, and there are a few points I'd like to raise.

First, psychologically. Imagine these two, independent scenarios. A close mate tells you a top joke, or a random on a bus tells you that same joke. Which would you find more entertaining? And, no, that isn't a bias, it's just how familiarity is one of the factors involved with humour.

Second, subjectivity. I think we can all relate to the Vespene Laughs competition when we see the comic that came third as being the best of the three comics by far. Basically, your favourite might not be someone else's favourite. To give an example, a bizarrely high number of people actually seemed to think that 'yo mamma's so fat' jokes were actually funny, both in thanking them and in posting them, when they seemed to forget that they're actually quite, quite lame. So just because you don't think puns are funny, it doesn't mean that such a joke is 'obviously not the best'. In fact, on Friday, after I apologised to a mate of mine for giving a really bad pun, he genuinely told me to never apologise for bad puns, they're god's gift to mankind. So, yes, you might not think puns are pun-ny, but that's just your o-pun-ion

Third, the votes themselves. Hyperion members got to vote for three of their favourite jokes, but each joke was worth an equal amount. There was no first gets three points, second gets two points, and third gets one point, or anything like that, it was just as simply as your top three jokes get a point each. So, for example, if there are only four voters, three of which think a 'yo mamma's so crap' joke is the best, and belly laugh hysterically like little school girls every time they're told it, but the fourth member doesn't find it funny and votes for something else, so long as another joke comes within each of the four voter's top three, it's won, despite, arguably, the 'yo-mamma' just being 'funnier'.

Oh, and lastly, no, we don't go looking up the years that any and all of the participants joined in. Inactive members are inactive, so yes, Spartan's joke does ruin the bias you were trying to prove.

 

I do have to agree with all of the above posts. The people who get a say who wins the competition should not be in the running to win the competition. Most other competitions are like this. Heck even the people who work in the cam company as the one holding the competition and their families are ineligible to enter. But I'm not mad at this. I had a feeling something like this would happen before I entered so I can not say I was unaware of the situation even though it was not officially announced.

And for the Jokes themselves, I think they are alright. Mind you I read them all and none of the really stood out to me as fantastic. But really the competition really is not about the best joke. It's really about the joke that makes the judges laugh the hardest. And it seems the two winners did that. For whatever the reason was be it, it's funniness or because the judges laugh more at jokes by their close friends, it doesn't matter. No competition of this nature is 100% unbiased. It is impossible.

And yes some of us do laugh at jokes from strangers. It's why people kicked in the groin is always funny. But when you know the person you start to feel for them and the pain and it's no longer funny. And secondly why do people flock to comedic shows in theaters and on TV? The crowds do not know the comics personally at all, heck I bet some of the people are dragged along without even knowing who they are going to see. But by the end of the night or TV show everyone is laughing and having fun. I'm just saying maybe you find jokes from people you know more funny. And that's totally ok. Just do not assume everyone is like that.

I think the familiarity comes with being able to get the target audience to relate to the individual joke personally regardless of who told it. That's my opinion.

About the perceived lameness of a particular joke. Sure most jokes are lame. But the competition had nothing to do with how lame a joke was, just how funny it was. Sure Yo Mama jokes and many others are rather lame mostly (though a few are pretty truthful) are rather funny to some people. So maybe there was a rule I didn't know but as far as I was aware the funniest joke to the judges (irrespective of how lame it is) should have won. And this just goes to show they do not find jokes they think are lame, are funny. That's fair enough though. But if I am wrong and how lame a joke is or is not had a part in the competition it was not told in the rules and I'd like it to be said so everyone here will know.

Anyways thanks for giving some of us a few days worth of hope. (not me though I know I'd never win no matter how good I was, but I'm ok with that )

PS. You said this: "Second, subjectivity. I think we can all relate to the Vespene Laughs competition when we see the comic that came third as being the best of the three comics by far."

Don't assume things please. I found the first one the funniest of those 3. The winner. And I'm sure there are some others who found 1 or 2 the funniest too. Next time ask people, don't assume.

 

You're certainly welcome to your opinion, however childish and wrong. Congratulations to the winners. See you at BlizzCon!

 

Now now no need to go abusing people calling them childish when they point out their opinions. An opinion is neither right nor wrong, just how someone feels about the situation. I didn't call anyone names and I feel a little disappointed that you are now.

 

@ the8thark. These jokes have nothing to do with slapstick comedy, sitcoms or anything. I'm just talking about written, or spoken jokes and riddles. Surely you can't say that you'd find a joke told to you by a workmate or schoolmate just as funny if it was told to you by someone from work or school who you've barely ever talked to, ever. As for sitcoms and the like, again it's a different situation to telling a joke, but the familiar media is simply the television. However, people still do develop strong loyalties to the shows they watch, and I'm sure I don't have to give an example of that.

About the lameness of the joke, you completely missed my point. I'm saying that, personally, I find 'yo mamma' jokes lame. Lame as in, not funny. Not funny as in, I find other jokes funnier. I find other jokes funnier as in, I would have voted for other jokes and therefore have given them a better chance of winning. As I said, it's all subjective. It was based on the jokes that the judges found funnier, but just because the jokes I find funny may not be the jokes you find funny, although you may think that the winning joke isn't funny, or whatever, that doesn't mean it isn't to others. Again, that's all I was saying. It's subjective.

As for Vespene Laughs, I'm not assuming anything. I'm not saying the third is always the funniest, and I'm not saying that everyone thinks that Blizzard chooses the wrong one, or all agree on a single comic being the funniest. If you were thinking that was what I was saying, then you completely missed my point, as I was actually saying it's all subjective. Subjective meaning different people have different opinions.

As for Jon's reaction, personally, I think it's fair that, after providing people with an opportunity to win a ticket to BlizzCon, that he'd take some level of offence to being accused of cheating and fixing the result. If I were him, what I would have learnt from this experience is never to give people such an opportunity in the first place, and if this was the reaction I got from people trying to get tickets to BlizzCon, including from people who already had tickets, well... I'll just say good luck to anyone who was hoping for a StarCraft2 Beta Key comp.

 

Congrats to the winners!

I thought mine was pretty good...i came up with it on the spot. TastelessFan makes me wonder if I was fairly considered, but what's done is done. He pitches a good conspiracy theory, sorry. (This is why staff members are NEVER allowed to participate in contests.) It's not a problem though! just thinking out loud.

 

I was refering to standup comedy there (viewed live and through the media of TV) not 1/2 hour or so sitcoms.

And for the rest of your comments I agree with you. And I agree with Jon's comments too. Just he could have said them a little more tactfully. We should not have a go at someone giving things away to others. That's very nice of them. Fixed or not (I won't go into that debate), I'm just going to say thank you for hosting the competition in the first place.

 

I went back and looked through the jokes. The winners' were the best -- hands down. They actually had a pun, whereas the others were funny because they were "stupid" jokes. I mean, I hardly expected mine to place, much less win. And though the "yo mamma" jokes were funny, I knew they didn't really have a chance. Now......

......chill.

 

People form the same loyalties to stand-up comics. For example, Bill Bailey is god. But again, it's a bit irrelevant, isn't it? I mean, no-one here's doing a comedy routine. They're just giving a riddle or joke, most often one-liners. Now again, though, the familiarity of humour comes into play, as if a comedian you knew came up and told you a joke, would you react in the same way if a comedian you didn't even know told you that same joke? You wouldn't even know they are a comedian in the first place.

Anyway, that's getting too long winded for something that's not really relevant. So again, put yourself in Jon's shoes. He sets up a comp to give us a chance to go to BlizzCon, and then gets accused of being a cheat.

In my opinion he shoulda just given the tickets to a couple of mates and gone with them.

 

Isn't that what he's being accused of?

I've been thinking. The majority of the jokes in the thread were copied and pasted. Most from TeamLiquid. Is it ok that the second place winner's joke has been told a thousand times? (I know I've heard that Dark Templar joke at least 5.) Where is the skill in that? I signed up for this site a couple months ago, hoping to contribute in an adult manner, and burn the people that deserved it with a rapier wit. All I've seen is copied news items, discussion on irrelevant or dead topics, and a HUGE pool of users who have a poor grasp on English. Couple that with a blizzcon contest that had both tickets go to staff members, surrounded by dodginess...well..

I'm done here.

 

im not a staff member..??

just sayin

edit: that and how are we supposed to not copy news? its not like we create news. Thats blizzards job, we just follow and state our opinions about it.

Also thanks to everyone who congratted me I will be bringing my camera with me and hopefully joneagle sets up some sort of question and answer thing i can log into and answer your guyses questions!..

how do you spell.. guyses?

-Seradin

 

Guys'. I just hope it'll be more fair than the previous one regarding the answers.

 

hmm.. well i could make a thread for you guys to ask questions. and where i can post pictures. itd work just fine

 

OK well, now that they have somewhat admitted to "yes we voted for him because we are more likely to appreciate a joke from a friend or known entity then a random stranger" all I can say is, "I know". Thats all i have been saying. That your friends and people who you were more familiar with were going to win because of who they were, regardless of their joke.

But if any1 expected a fair competition from a competition where the judges can compete: are you really surprised you lost?

Well i got the answer i was looking for, "We chose his joke because we know him better then the rest of you.".

And btw you did just hand the tickets to ur mate so why change the competition format at all?

and again, i would have done the same thing, friends > random strangers always. Especially when your dealing with blizzcon tickets.

 

Where'd you pull that from?

I commented, someone who didn't have anything to do with the competition, not taking part, not voting and not collaborating with the others, that I have observed familiarity as being a factor in humour. If you've translated that as "We chose him because we know him better than everyone else", then you're getting even more desperate than ever.

And no, knowing of someone on a site really doesn't equate to having a close mate. Again, if you translated it like that otherwise, or believe that people whose usernames you have read on the internet are in your close circle of friends, then I don't know what to say to you. 'Get off the comp and find some friends', I suppose.

So, nice try, but you're just making me gladder and gladder that you lost. It's like watching a toddler being denied icecream.

 

lol whoever judged these jokes was a terrible judge.. im not saying i should have won.. or even close. but those 2 were some of the worst ones.. other than the yo momma jokes... if anything the facebook lurker joke should have won.. its probably the only one that made me laugh


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edit: i also just read the entire thread... lol, i didnt know this website was run like this.. i thought this place was a pretty well layed out and "professional" website.. i was wrong (from reading the posts/comments lol)
Mods calling people stating their opinion "childish"... Mods having people who are voting or close friends (hyberion or wtf its called) of people who are voting allowed to enter. and much much more... this is why i dont post in forums lol, and wont ever again in this one =)

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and no this has nothing to do with me losing.. lol, like i said.. i didnt consider myself even close... the facebook joke was the best.

 

I honestly don't know why I even bother with these contests...

I went back and took a look at the facebook joke. It received one vote. Each Hyperion member was allowed three votes meaning even if Seradin wanted to he can only vote for himself once and would be required to vote for two other jokes.

There were only two jokes that received more than one vote and they received TWO and THREE votes while Seradin's and Spartan's each received FIVE. As a tiebreaker we took a second vote and Seradin's joke won.

That's how it happened, and I don't appreciate people registering specifically for this contest and then complain when they don't win.

 

Seriously kai, say something remotely constructive or gtfo. Becoming a troll by post n°4 is not exactly a good way to get inside a community.
And if you registered just for the prizes, then you REALLY need to gtfo

 

To avoid all these troubles Joneangle I have a simple suggestion. You all pick 2 jokes that you like, and then the community votes for the best one. Thats at leat half way democratic.