Protoss too strong!

Then don't play Zerg on Fastest.

 

Counter to Psionic Storm - Spawn Broodling on the High Templars. But this argument is going nowhere - the three races in Starcraft are equal! If you don't like to play as Zerg, that's cool (I generally prefer Protoss or Terran myself), but they are just as legit as the other three races.

 

WHO THE HELL would make Queens. no one makes queens, and there not going to waist money like that. SC1 was my first computer game and i'v been playing it for a good 9 or 8 years, and a bit more if i'm not mistaken. And it's funny back then the game moved to quckly for queens and/or the use of spawn Brood. U guys can sit here and tell me the counders but in truth your not going to use the counters. your ganna try and push and push till my energy is gone and thats all your ganna have. i'll be sitting and waiting with 2 Dark archons and 5 or 6 high Templars so sock your brains out.

 

EMP and Marines.

 

The Protoss are not the strongest race flat out. You can't say that then demand that there is a balance when they already have applied the balance without you noticing... So this thread is kinda pointless. Besides I wanna wait for the Zerg Version of this Thread to appear then we can say the Zerg are overpowered just as we have for the Terran even with them not even being fully out. That statement about the Terran can be applied to Protoss as well. ZOMG!! Zerg/Terran are too strong .... I can already see the future unfortunately .

*Bad Math Skills + Me = Not Good

 

In the 5th mission of Brood War Zerg campaign, you had to kill Fenix. Fenix had 800 shields and 800 HP. By making a queen and launching spawn broodlings on him, you took down a total of 1600 points in one shot. Not to mention spawn broodling has a higher range than photon cannons and missle turrets. So making queen and knowing how to use them is the key. And in response to the topic, no Protoss is not too strong. It's just this thread was made when a lot of Protoss info was released and there were zero information on Terran. I have faith in Blizzard that the game will be very balanced.

 

wow, how anticlimactic.
Lol tbh i killed him by placing lurkers under him.

 

Funny how u went to the missions to set an exsample.  i'm talking about a 1 on 1.  The fact is, if your in a 1 on 1 agenst a protoss player and he's shocking your units to keep him self alive and it's working for him he wont just relie on that.  I dont care what u do to a mission, the missions are made for you to win.  Another person is not going to let you win that easy.  No good protoss player would leave a high templar open to get creamed by a queen,  Thats why Queens never (really) get used in battle. it's just not there style or logic of thinking in the middle of a battle thats got you on your toes.

 

Ya know I really didn't understand a bit of what you meant there i2new@aol.com as I see you stated that the Queen is useless because... 1 on 1 It would lose to a Templar.... Ya know your logic makes no sense. 1 on 1 a Queen will win in fighting a Templar because 1. It can fly out of Storm range. 2. It can kill it instantly with Spawn Broodling. 3. Even if your talking about either with no upgrades the Templar couldn't kill a Queen because it has no actual attack or ability. While, the Queen could theoretically kill it if it infested a command center and send out IT's. So, your argument here makes no sense.
Queen = Support.
Templar = Assault.
Understand the Difference.

 

They have a lot of balance work ahead of them.

But you do have a point. The news that has been coming from Blizzcon suggests that the Protoss are indeed more powerful than the Terran at this point. This will no doubt change over time as the game's release date gets closer. (and of course, since it is a PC game they can make patches for balance issues that pop up after it is released) : )

 

what a waste of internet space this topic is. Seriously people.

 

Lol, ShdwyTemplar. your not makeing sence.

1. I didn't say queens were useless. I SAID NO ONE IS GOING TO GO OUT OF THERE WAY TO USE THEM. Try and keep up with what i'm saying.

2. U still have to upgrade the queens spawn brood along with the fact No one leaves a High Templar open like that, at least i dont. And i'm not trying to say Zerg suck. I'm not trying to say protoss are the best. I'm just telling you out of the 8 or 9 years i played this game. 98% of the zerg players i played agenst or with never once made a queen to counter me and even if they tryed. I never leave my templar that open to get creamed. I would eathre keep them in the center of a Dragoon force or in a shuttle. U can sit here and try and tell me different but u good and well know it's true. If your going to sit here and say i dont like another race I played SC1 too long to end up hating a race. That dosent make any sense. And i understand the difference between support and assault but high templar make for way better defence and and make a better unit then a queen that makes 2 shity spawn broods and can get trampled by an Archon witch they cant even spawn from.

 

@ i2new@aol.com Well now I think you took what I said and warped it as I did not say.

1. Anything about leaving a Templar in the open as you said they can beat each other 1 on 1 with the Templar winning.

2. I did not state anything about hating any race as I like them all for their uniqueness and please stop putting words in my mouth so to speak.

Now then If you understand the difference then why are you continuing to argue the fact that a Templar can beat a Queen
because... well because its a Templar and is stronger...

FYI, Hope you know that your not the only one with the 8-9 Years experience on SC as first off 75% of people who play Zerg never make it to End Game because they Zergling Rush. On that rare occasion they do make it there they Mutalisk swarm.The more advance 25% will either mix a variety of Hydra, Zerglings, Mutalisk, Defiler, and Ultralisk to stomp through base defenses and other armies.(Scourge if they have air force)

Secondly, If you are comparing units made from a unit consider that a Queen can Infest a CC to make Infested Terran.
Now if you have never played a Game with those coming into play they are actually quite efficient base killers and could pretty much KO a Archon.

I think you've changed gears and went from 1 on 1 to Army Vs Army in which case yes the Templar would win because it is the Protoss Assault Caster. Though you stated yourself in this paragraph how you were comparing 1 on 1. So do not take it into Army v Army otherwise your just being stupid.

From what I can tell you are a Protoss Extremists and have rarely played Zerg to its full Capacity. Therefore saying the Queen isn't a Good base defender is your opinion and not one based off of fact. Have you seen 6 Queen's defend a base?
6 Units of the Enemy die and now you have 12 more under your command. Plus you original base defense makes for a easy counter offensive. And if its Air you can just swarm scourge after hitting them with ensnare to not allow a retreat.

Since you said you understand that they are different types of casters then you know that comparing a Queen and Templar is not really efficient at getting the message out as they are different caster types. End the argument with the Templar and go to Queen vs Dark Archon. Now that pair of units can be compared.

Before you make another post please make sure you know what your saying because its obvious your making things up in your head and bringing different points into an argument that don't need to be analyzed because we are basing an argument off of facts that are taking different elements of game play into consideration, so, before I can post again please make sure you know what you're saying and make sure you know who your aiming at. 8) -ShdwyT Out

 

ShdwyTemplar your to Iggnorant to understand what i'm Compairing.  U seem to think i care about the units.  It's not the units that win, it's the player dumbass.  You dont know that because your most likly still a noob.  Go to the top and reread my post.  Understand that i was aiming this to the People of SC and not commin Logic.  We know spawnbrood kills units in one shot.  You just dont understand what you read.  I said in the first post on this page (MOST PLAYERS).  YES ShdwyTemplar.  (MOST PLAYERS) as in the people of SC you blind jackmonkey!  MOST PEOPLE DONT MAKE QUEENS!  they just dont.  If you play 10 games all 1 on 1 and u were protoss and they were zerg i bet only 1 or 2 would make a queen.  Not because i think templars can beat queens, no Because most people have a 1 track mind like you. Most people understand that Zerg are about the numbers.  U seem to want to twist my words like a jackass.  You didn't read what i put did u. you just wanna try and look good and make a Logical point but Logic dosent come into play with the Average player.  Untill you read all my post and understand what i'm teying to say YOU DONT NEED TO TYPE ANYTHING FROM YOUR 2 inch BRAIN you panzy.

 

i2new, because you use Protoss most of the time, that could be the primary reason why most zerg players couldn't be bothered making queens to go against you. Because the only Protoss units that are vulnerable to spawn broodlings are the zealot, dragoons, high templar and dark templar. So yes they didn't make queens because the reaver is robotic and the archon is psionic entity.

But if you've ever played as Terran, you'll probably notice more people you are playing against will make queens. Because the Queens can spawn broodling any terran ground unit. And that's the best to use against siege tanks.

Just like how you said that you wouldn't leave or send out a templar alone by itself. The same goes with zerg players. A good zerg player would not leave alone or send out a queen by itself, unless it's absolutely safe. So please don't make a statement like WHO THE HELL would make queens? no one makes queens from your own narrow personal experience.

Back on topic with the strengths of Protoss. I think the Protoss is seemly getting weaker and weaker as more information for the other races is getting released. So far I think the Protoss and the Terran in starcraft 2 are generally stronger than in starcraft 1. I'm still looking forward to seeing more info about the Zerg because Protoss and Zerg are my 2 favourite races. And I think Blizzard made the right choices by having a mothership for the Protoss, as well as having Warp Rays for aerial siege. I think the Warp Ray idea is based too much on the zerg Guardian, but it is a good addition to the Protoss.

 

I'v played as all the races for a very very long time. and I know queens own the hell out of terrans, yes i know that, but dont try and tell me what i use and dont use. Protoss might be my favorit race but i'm not a 1 sided player that only plays one race mc2 and this was not aimed at terrans but i know queens eat tanks. and queens are best for terrans but what u dont relize a queen can fly and go anywhere very fast! unlike a high templar that can be out ran by and old lady on a walker.

And mc2 . when u play a 1 on 1 every thing the enemy dose is for your own narrow experience, thank you very much

And last yeah your right about the protoss. they doo seem to be out match by the terrans, I think as slow moving as some of the protoss units are things like the cobra that can move and fire are going to be pritty hard to fight agenst and we cant forget the almight THOR, witch is a down right Monster with the badest range i ever seen. and at least with the warp rays we can get right to them insted of waiting for a first stage like the guardian

 

I make Queens, arguement instantly debunked.

 

So...your under " I'm not loyal to any race? "

Thor may be bad ass and stuff but they are also weak on the back,don't you think?small unit can easily destroy it by simply attacking its back...And for the baddest long range,well they do have a hell lot of range there.

 

I can't speak for anybody else, but the fear of the protoss being to strong comes out of how powerful they were in Starcraft. I had far more trouble against protoss players as the terran then the zerg (after a few patches). If not for science vessels/siege tanks (working in conjunction with each other), I would have lost probably every time.

 

how can any of you guys say protoss is rigged? first, we dont even get to see most units shield/hp/cost which they are still adjusting. second, we havent seen units from zerg. for all we know protoss can be the weakest race and get raped by terran and zerg.