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Nuke Target

Discussion in 'StarCraft 2 Strategy Discussion' started by 10-Neon, Jun 7, 2007.

Nuke Target

Discussion in 'StarCraft 2 Strategy Discussion' started by 10-Neon, Jun 7, 2007.

  1. Ghost

    Ghost New Member

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    The terrans should just swith to H-Bombs. Pack em with gamma radiation and you got one hella of an infectious bomb.
     
  2. T-man

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    Due to my background in Nuclear Physics and all of that, I feel this needs to be explained :)
    As Gold said, fission bombs (either with Plutonium, Uranium-235, or both) have large amounts of harmful ionizing radiation released.
    This is what was used in Fat Man and Little Boy, on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    Fusion, also known as Thermonuclear or Hydrogen, bombs, can be detonated in one of two ways:
    First, the method used extensively in the Cold War and the Arms Races, is to have a fusionable core of Lithium Deuteride (which when activated degrades into Deuterium and Tritium, isotopes of Hydrogen, which are fused), placed next to a Fission trigger, and all of this encased in a Uranium-238 jacket.
    The fission trigger creates the dirty radiation, and the U-238 jacket roughly doubles the power of a fusion bomb, but also vastly increases the ionizing radiation released.

    On the other hand, experimental models use a lazing device to fuse the Deuterium and Tritium, and this method has no harmful radioactive fallout, it just has a huge boom. You lose the doubling power of the U-238 jacket, so you must increase the amount of Li-D, but no dangerous radiation, once the bomb goes off, you can roll in your own troops without risking their lives, just like with TNT or the like.

    So we would need to have a laser-activated Thermonuclear device be the Nuke launched by the terrans, or else things should be irradiated nearby :)
     
  3. Associate

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    not all SC maps are situated in space
     
  4. Fenix

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    You raise a valid point.
     
  5. Ghost

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    You're dangerous...
     
  6. T-man

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    Heh, majoring in Nuclear Engineering will do that for you :p
     
  7. Zeratul

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    I like chemistry ^_^!
    Course I don't know stuff like that.. maybe when I go to uni :p
     
  8. Fenix

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    Man, it's all good. Science pwns when you get to blow stuff up. I actually learned a couple things from T-Man's stuff. :powerup: for sure.
     
  9. Zeratul

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    I watched this show about what schools were like in the past (in England)
    The chemistry classes looked so cool.
    Teacher: "The gas produced is toxic so keep your head out of the gas thats produced."
    So he makes it in ordinary test tubes right in the open AND then puts his head through the smog when he needs to grab something on the table
    If only teachers could do things like that nowadays :p.
     
  10. Zombine

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    would you mind explaining the neutrino bombs as well? is it just a H-bomb with excessive amounts of radiation or something?
     
  11. Ghost

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    Hows that working out for ya?
     
  12. T-man

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    To Ghost: Great :)
    That's a bit out from my specialty, mainly because very few of them were even developed, much less used. I did extensive research into mainstream nuclear weapons on the side a little while back, but I left neutron bombs out for the most part.
    Here's what I do know, however:

    The U-238 jacket I previously mentioned on a standard, dirty, H-bomb is designed to "reflect" as many of the released neutrons as possible back into the bomb, and then it is meant to hold the bomb together for a split second longer (U-238, also known as Depleted Uranium, heh heh, SC Marines, if very dense and fairly good at staying together) so more fusion can occur, and then finally, meant to transform into Plutonium-239, and fission again, adding still more power.
    A side effect of this is that a relatively large amount of the released neutrons (and the accompanying ionizing radiation) are kept internally in the device, instead of spraying out and killing things. In this way, the destructive potential is increased, and the harmful side effects of radiation are decreased. Also because of this, a pure fusion device (the lazing one I mentioned) has no radiation.

    Contrary to this, a Neutron Bomb forgoes the U-238 jacket, and instead using materials that amplify, or otherwise redirect, the released neutrons, so that these spread out with great vigor to kill organisms. Due to this fact, popular culture says that N-bombs kill living things while not harming buildings in the kill zone. This is not true; though, because a fission reaction must occur to release the neutrons, and this reaction is similar to the Nagasaki and Hiroshima detonations. The "standard" N-bombs of earlier years had a roughly 1-kiloton warhead, which is about 1/10th the power of Little Boy (dropped on Hiroshima at 13 or so kilotons). This may seem small, due to the multiple megaton devices that the U.S. and Soviets eventually developed (1,000-50,000 kilotons), but look at the word kiloton: 1 kiloton explosion is one thousand tons (Statute, not Metric, sorry) of TNT. I sure wouldn't want this dropped on my head.
    Due to this yield, many buildings in the kill zone will be destroyed, which lead to N-bombs being redesigned for tactical purposes. Hardened tanks and silos, designed to withstand the heat and energy from conventional weapons or h-bombs, are much more vulnerable to neutrons and ionizing radiation. A tank on the outskirts of the kill zone will have its occupants killed, but it will be intact (although radioactive). The radioactive fallout is very short-lived, and often remains 50% deadly for only a day or two, so dropping a N-bomb, and then waiting a week to move in, should be sufficient, unlike with standard fission or thermonuclear warheads, with huge clouds of fallout.

    In an effort to answer your question, however, I even learned something :D
    I had always subscribed to the idea that a Neutron (not Neutrino, sorry, Neutrinos are much smaller and infinitely less harmful that neutrons, and in fact, as you read this parenthetical area, you were bombarded by countless neutrinos) Bomb killed off all life, with almost zero damage to buildings, but as it says above, that was wrong :)

    I hope that helps :)
    As I said, my knowledge is a bit limited of these, I can design 4 different standard types of fission and thermonuclear devices, and two non-standard ones, but haven't a clue how to build a N-bomb, other than maybe just not putting on the U-238 jacket...
     
  13. Zombine

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    i would have been as content with a link to a wiki in all truth, but what you told me gave me a strong idea of nuclear engineering, as well as reason to never drop your power level, in fact...+power
     
  14. T-man

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    Heh, well, then here you go
    wikipedia is pretty easy to search, but glad to help you with that one ;)
     
  15. Zombine

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    wiki's aren't always accurate, so hearing it from someone else is a lot better.
     
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    users could edit articles there and may input any data they want. that is the downside of a free encyclopedia though. we really can blame wiki
     
  17. wolfblood

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    Tbh, nukes in SC1 is lacking dmg, but on the other hand they train very fast, are very cheap (like siege tank), and i even use them to knock out things like MT defenses rather than booming the real base.

    But if its ''undetectored'' id be happy to ruin a base :D
     
  18. epic_ending

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    nukes are straight up poo, as a zerg player i hated them messing up my carfully placed defences and turning my armys into radioactive goo. id welcome the masive target least then id be able to shift things out of the way kinda hard to spot a little dot when uve got an army lings pushing into the enemys defences and then they run straight under a falling nuke, its happened more than once.
     
  19. Zerat

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    in the triler the nukes wore very quick, I think they are faster now, the time from "nuclear lunch detected" to the explosion was shorter then in SC1

    as for the target marker I think it looks cool, for the enemy it could look the same, but a lot smaller (not the size of a single pixel dot)
     
  20. wolfblood

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    Is it confimed that the nukes really go faster, or was the gameplay video speed upped, cause otherwise nukes will be imba, allthough they already are ;)