New VS: Starcraft universe vs Warhammer 40K universe

Do the Zerg even number in the quadrillions? because thats how large a single Tyranid hive fleet can be. And even with them running around the galaxy the Imperium of Man (for the time being is still alive). If anything the Zerg in 40k would be an underwhelming swarm since the IoM are highly accustomed with ridiculous numbers (thanks to the Orks). Hell even the Imperial Guard can be a massive force. Some state that the IG are so massive that if the IG's soldiers were lined up standing shoulder to shoulder, they would cover an entire planet.

And the Space Marines don't have vehicles since when? They have long range whirlwinds, Rhino tanks able to withstand the hits of what is otherwise a semi-automatic rocket launcher, has tanks that even have a layer of adamantium on it (same goes for terminator armor) along with gunships that have 750 km/s (IIRC) speeds of acceleration. So how are Terran vehicles advantageous over 40k vehicles?

 

Rhino is a troop transport, Bolter aint rocket laucher it got bullets that are like missles but they are hardly powerful.
A Missle launcher is a Missle launcher and Whirlwinds is a typical MAPW weapon, rather crappy compared to a Siege tank.

I didnt read Libertys crusade...

Eldar tech is better ? Why.. becouse they all write its better ? sure... empire NEVER EVER lost a single war.... coz it is written so in history books on many worlds. They are so old so their tech is better, pointy ear makes them uber, beeing a dying breed automaticly gives them technologial advantage. super.. you belive one fluff and automaticly it is the GODS voice and nothing else is true...

Cadia a fortress world, sure. But taking into attention there are weapons that shoot at the range of 450.000 km able to vaporize ground defences in one shot than how is it supposed to fight back ? Shooting back, hell yeah... chaos fleet jumps in and fires a barrage at planet- long before ANY defence can react... BOOM. Pylons ? they are Cron ground defence, and Epire found them only on a few tomb worlds :]

GW says Battlefleet Gothic is main source of data sheets regarding space combat in Wh40k, it shows how fights between starships go in warhammer universe. And Wh40k tabletop game is the source of data about power of land warfere units... Imperial armour and so...

Coz superman is like a battlebarge... he farts fire and flies like a brick... and in fluff somehow it happens just as the writer wants not as if it should be acording to data...

Crons are uber... so noone is as they are. They are the ultimate meanece to galaxy... until the next codex comes out :]
Like the eldar they are soooo goood... posesing a crappy Infantry and even more crappy ICs...

Your personal preferences do not win with Starcraft...

 

Warhammer vs Starcraft...

Serious business. Especially since one dimension is set about... what? 38 thousand years later?

That's fair.

 

I responded once to this thread about how retarded it was I think and now it shows up every time someone makes a post under "Show new replies to your posts". I've never even play warhammer, so it makes it even less desirable for me to read.

Somebody start ranting so I can lock this shit lol ;D

 

Im ranting.... ranting.... ranting.... ranting.... ranting....

Is it enough ?

 

It is described as being able to turn the upper torso of a human being into a mist of blood and guts in a single hit. It was also capable of tossing around a person who wieghed half a ton, which is a crapload of power to displace something that weighs that much. Some even go as far as fully vaporizing a human being which would have a minimum energy output of 100-200 megajoules of power.

A siege tank possesses dual 80 mm guns and in siege mode deploys a 120 mm cannon, how is that better then a whirlwind?

It still does not excuse the fact that you talked about the bombing of Mar Sara by the Protoss.

And what the hell else? Are you trying to imply that even the makers of the eldar are false and that even written fluff is false? If that is even the case then why don't I just omit the SC manual from this debate.

Contrary to what you are attempting to construe in the most inane way that I have ever seen, thier is a whole lot of fluff evidence which shows that the Eldar do indeed have better technology. The only fundamental problem being is that with them being a dying breed who hides most of the time and barely engage in battle unless they are forced to. Hell back then,before the fall of the Eldar into a state of near extinction, the Eldar used to have thier own set of Gods who used to do battle with the C'tan. They had a webway gate network that allowed them to traverse the galaxy extremely quickly(now is fragmented but still existant), hell they even had a gun called the Aklimor which was a dark matter gun which could annihilate planets for lunch. And finally, please remember who the engineers of the Blackstone fortresses were, thats right that would be the Eldar. And like I said before, the only reason why there so screwed and so weakened right now was in special thanks to the birth of the Chaos God Slaneesh, who instantly killed all Eldar within 2000 lightyears(IIRC) of himself just by being born. So in otherwords, yes. The Eldar do have superior technology but the insufficient numbers to deal with them and the will to confront thier enemies unless they absolutely have to.

Imperium Sensor tech also allows them to see ships from that far as well. Just think about it. If a ship of the Imeperium is capable of firing at 450,000 km ranges and Chaos ships are still able to deal with these ships then clearly they have the technology required to deal with these relevant ranges and firepower meaning that they in turn possess ranges of greater or similar distances which obviously explains why Cadia has not yet been turned into some forsaken Daemonworld.

And yet there are still 5000+ pylons on the planet of the Cadia where some are active in supressing the size of the eye of terror. This pylon count appeared when Inquisitor Eisenhorn made his visit to the planet Cadia.

Which says absolutlely nothing about it being an actual demonstration of space combat in 40k but rather as I emphasis again, the representation of 40k space combat in a tabletop game. The data sheet that I believe you are referring to was some old fluff that was rewritten by novels which provided greater firepower yields the model provided by Andy Chambers went something like this:
1 point of firepower=610 gigatons
1 point of range= 1000 km

would you actually care to provide direct quotes from them for this? Simply put, if Andy Chambers provides a model which translates TT into the living 40k universe for BFG then why should WH40k TT be limited to simply TT. Bottom line, its just stupidly absurd.

And data usually provides a poor model and omits many things that novels would otherwise explain. Novels are also in their own right, their own form of data. These novels having the official Black Library seal effectively making them canon are also not omitted because they provide a greater wealth of data that acts to expand the 40k universe and enrich it thus setting benchmarks higher rather then limit itself to old data. Novels also act to overwrite original data especially at the point when they are very recent. Besides if 40k would have to be limited to such a thing then why not (again) Liberty's Crusade? It sets the benchmark for Carriers possessing planet glassing weapons yet the SC manuals state them as carrying no weapons except for the ability to manufacture interceptors. So if as a generalization, fluff had to be limited to old original data, then the glassing of Chu Sara never happened.

Aside from stating that 40k would stomp SC, where have I made personal preferences? Most of what I did was state novel evidence that would prove that 40k would stomp SC and even included the novels from SC into the debate. But hey, heres some other 40k vs Starcraft topics just to show that its not just me who says so:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-417876-starcraft-vs-warhammer-40-000.html
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=104149&highlight=starcraft
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=95044&highlight=starcraft
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=105163

 

Crap... in novels Lasgun can toss a CSM several meters away :]

Bazilisk has one cannon and its still MUCH stronger than WW.....

Mar Sara bombed by Toss... it was in the game :] Oh.. u never played it ?

If eldar tech is soooo much better why they get they ass ra3*#$ by any other army heh ?

Chaos my friend is capable of anything by the fluff... even to hide their presence in warp :] Warships DO NOT have the power to smash a planet (witch exceptions i mentioned erlier)

Ya ya ya... then Empire would dismantle them just as ANY Xeno tech, as heretical abominations... bye bye (as for Cadian pylons)

The novels got the seal becouze the writes asked GW can they use WH40K universe in their books and were approved,, after that... who cares :]

And i say most of WH40K ships would fell apart in SC universe just becouse the reality there is normal, not a fallout wersion of Ankh-morpok...

Oh.. anf as we are at it... i say Lex universe would pwn Warhammer universe... they got ships able to destroy a solar system in one shot...

 

the borg will assimalte all

 

warhammer seems exaggerated. i wish starcraft 2 is too. too bad its just 4 years after broodwar. thor is not enough. we need the gundam and MEGA battlecruisers that shoots ULTIMATE YAMATO that can destroy planets too. plus UED should have the NUKKEEE that can destory planets unlike the weaker version of it. i hope they include something as fluff as this in the campaign story not only the hybrids and xelnaga. anyway hybrids should have SUPER BIG monsters that can destroy thors in a sec. 3 times the size of a thor. lol. uhm UED should send their gundam mechs and MEGABATTLESHIPS not terran stolen arsenals.


hhmm. warhammer vs starwars?

 

i have DAWN OF WAR 40K and i im here to tell you that THE 40K universe would win even though im a SC fan boy..Im just stating the facts..I understand both universes very well..

 

I have played both Brood War and the Original SC. However the bombing of Mar Sara did still happen in the Liberty's Crusade novel and there is no real cutscene that can quantify their capabilities, thus making the sc game useless in telling us the detailed firepower of their BDZ capabilities. Thus we turn to Liberty's Crusade and the bombing of Chu Sara which tells us far more of thier planet glassing capabilities and thus far act as the most detailed piece of data to tell us of thier capabilites.

If eldar tech is soooo much better why they get they ass ra3*#$ by any other army heh ?

And of course exceptions to several Space Marine battle barges which was where the real relevant point was. Everybody knows that the standard 40k warship does not destroy a planet (persay), it just merely glasses the planet until the atmosphere is gone, and not even one microbe of bacteria is left on the planet.

From time to time, if the Xeno tech serve a real use they actually do against there own rule (with some hypocrisy to be added for good measure) and actually do Xeno tech from time to time. Hell, some assassins have no problems with wielding C'tan necrodermis blades which they apparently have no problem with using and of course even use Pylon's to suppress one of thier great threats to the Imperium, obviously being Chaos.

And thus with this quote you have only reinforced my arguement by conceding that GW does as a matter of fact make thier book canon.

Thats very untrue saying that the reality there is normal. There is little to no reality existent in any piece of science fiction at all. Just to illustrate the very concept of FTL drives should never exist because according to science (IIRC) nothing can actually move at the speed of light, despite that in any other sci-fi universe they usually move at freaking 11 times the speed of light (in star trek higher end warp speed is something at the velocity of several billion kilometers per second). Also every sci-fi has thier own specific incorrect display of physics. A specific one to note is the custcene in Brood War, where what are supposed to be hyervelocity 8mm rounds barely do jack all to displace two zerglings from thier spots despite thier size (thier durablity would be irrelevant since they would still be displaced) yet a grenade fires later ( a weak one that barely kicks up any dirt or any water) takes out both Zerglings. Bottom line, physics always gets morphed in any amount of science fiction.

So can the Cultureverse, the Total Annihilation universe, the Supreme Commander universe, the Posleenverse, Marvel and DC cosmics etc etc. I can easily concede to these forces as they would be able to take the upper hand against 40k. But against Starcraft, thats just a definite no. So whats your point in bringing up a different universe?

 

In a competition of rock paper scissors, I bet Warhammer's Scissors could beat Starcraft's Rock.

Warhammer VS Starcraft is like a single robber wielding a pistol VS an entire S.W.A.T. team.

There's no competition and no reason to debate this.

 

Starcraft would own totally Warhammer universe... with one shot :]

Theres no reason to discuss diss, just lay down and die warhammer..... HAHA HA

 

7 pages worth of discussion and extra links making the same consensus not enough to drill it in your head how badly Starcraft is doomed?

 

not that badly. they can hold their own and can inflict major damage on warhammer too. although in the end..entaro starcraft.

 

One Marine gun in SC is powerful enough to destroy a Warhammer universe... and thats the truth...

Now... just DIE.... HAR HAR HAR

 

Aren't there Billions of of people living in Earth in the starcraft universe? I mean Earth's Technology is still unknown compared to terran's technology, they probably have shit capable of wiping out any ships from the 40k universe.

Not to mention the the zerg units you seen in game arent the only tools of war the zerg have. I'm sure the kept those in for the purpose to "balance" the game. I'm sure they have crazier shit we haven't seen yet that can pretty much make the game imbalance but live only within the starcraft universe

 

Quite the opposite. WH40k can pretty much beat SC in pretty much every single way imaginable, ranging from armor, ships, psychic powers, down to the last insectoid being. As mentioned before, your single average ship from the Imperium can pretty much turn an entire continent into a mound of ash with just thier primary broadsides. So there it is, an illustration of firepower in space. Firepower on ground is where insanity lies in the most. As explained before Bolter's are pretty much semi-auto rocket launchers capable of turning the upper body of a human into a mist of blood and guts in a single shot. These are mounted by Space Marines, the maniacal asshat war monks of the galaxy, who move at speeds which are described as so fast that they appear as a blur to the normal human eye, can rip open tank hatches, and have many enchancements that further justifies them as the supersoldiers as they are (secondary heart, third lung, reinforced bones, acidic saliva, specialized poison filtering organs etc etc). A lasgun, one of the most famously weak end guns of the 40k galaxy are still in thier own right extremely powerful, being able to punch through several feet of concrete on higher settings. To illustrate range, the Basilisk is capable of shooting as far as 125 km shooting a projectile which leaves a crater in the ground that measures 30 m in diameter. Numbers are not something to be messed with either. The Imperium possesses at the least quadrillions of humans within thier Imperium. A better illustration of numbers lies within the Tyranids where a single hive fleet numbers in the trillions of nids ready to scour and eat a planet of anything that so much as resembles the living. Psychic powers are by far the craziest thing in the galaxy in 40k. Some higher end psykers (as what they are called in 40k) can divine the future centuries ahead (granted its not all the time), can snap massive titans with a flick of thier wrist, turn a person inside out by whispering a sylabble, and make entire armies go mad by thinking it. Hell Ravenor, had an ability where all he had to do was whisper some words and a person would just fall to the ground and die, he was also apparently also able to raise an army of undead from planets away. Not all psykers are well in control however, some may end up singlehandidly accidently killing off cities to planet full of people who are unfortunate to be live on the same planet as said psyker. Also remember that the annihilation of the soul is also pretty common in 40k as well. The Grey Knights have thier own Nemesis weapons dedicated to shattering the souls of thier foes and psykers have also ripped the souls out of the bodies of people by thinking it as well. Even then, there still not so bad. Its the daemons that you have to worry about seeing as how Gargatuloth, a Tzeentchian Daemon Prince was able to make lightyears worth of people go mad just by being on the plane of reality. So how does this even end in SC's favor at all? ANd how the hell are they ever going to inflict major damage at all?

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23 billion if I recall correctly from the ending cutscene after the Terran Brood War campaign. Still not enough to combat 40k.

Finding a piece of technology from said Earth would help to actually prove such a statement, otherwise, its merely baseless speculation that could not be used at all. I seriously doubt they have anything up to the 40k level, otherwise, they would have fielded something amazing against the Zerg.

See above. It relates.

 

Sadly starcraft world is more real than warhammer and so warhammer perishes like fog when getting contact with starcraft....

Brrrrrwziiuuuuuoppppp..... empire craps himself.... eye of terror weeps and geydar make an orgy with tau and everything is falling to pices.... while one terran marine scraps some remains of warhammer universe from his shoe...

sadly MIB teory was right.... SC universe was just BIGGER..... THE END

 

StarCraft will win I promise they will win!