New VS: Starcraft universe vs Warhammer 40K universe

Not based on but somewhat derived from.. You can't argue the resemblance, and from what I heard Blizzard was supposed to make a WH40K game but declined and then somehow came up with SC...

 

Your almost right. Blizzard requested to make a WH40K game, but Games Workshop declined. I bet they hate themselves now for turning down one of the most successful game companies ever.

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At least thats the way I understood what 10-Neon told me.

 

blizzard did want to make a game that had a warhammer feel, but they took it so much further with the protoss and zerg. The finished product doesnt resemble warhammer very much at all

 

I did a little digging to figure out if I could back my statement up. My source for StarCraft as a Warhammer 40k game came from a post on Slashdot, which stated it as a rumor. Another post on Slashdot, from someone that claimed to have worked for Games Workshop at he time (the site is a haven for high-ranking nerds, so it is likely to be true), did confirm that Blizzard approached Games Workshop about the original Warcraft. They didn't say anything about StarCraft, though. Here's a link to that post.

 

Nukes can't destroy worlds?

Do we even need to look at Korhal?

 

As much as I love Warhammer 40k....Starcraft has an advantage:

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XD they can instantly mind control ANY unit....including Titans and the God-Emperor of Mankind himself....

 

lol, the DA would be considered a warp creature in 40k

 

Can you link to a source or something?

 

They cannot destroy worlds as effectively as 40k weapons can. The standard broadsides(being a primary weapon of choice in space battles in 40k) of an Imperium battleship can turn a continent into ash with a few salvos. A Space Marine battle barge was capable of literally cracking a planet apart in under an hour with it's superweapon. The higher end ships usually possess planet cracking weapons as a normal standard ranging from Cyclonic Torpedoes to Virus bombs.

 

Leaving aside the false "Mind Control" the God Emperor of Mankind statement Meh. Thats not impressive at all. Psykers in 40k have extreme power levels which allow for them to do all kind of crazy things like turning men inside out with a whisper of a syllable, snapping battle titans with a flick of thier wrist, making entire armies go mad by thinking it or rending thier souls out of thier body. The higher end psyker Esharddon(an Alpha class) was capable of mind controling hundreds of Imperial Citizens which were used as puppets. And by a standard all those psykers are far lower in power then the God Emperor himself who was able to see hundreds of years into the future, create warp storms that engulf a planet and make a sun go supernova while shielding his fleet at point blank range from the blast.

 

As mentioned before, 40k destroys worlds on a regular basis. For some out there in 40k, the destruction of a world occurs on a Tuesday brunch. Again, the standard normal broadsides of a 40k battleship are enough power to turn a continent into ash. Hell normal ship broadsides are usually used in exterminating all life on a planet.

A single tyranid fleet can number from trillions to quadrillions of units to there command. Also, the Tyranids has what is otherwise known as the hive mind which already controls far more of thier own kin then the Overmind does. Also what should be noted is that a Carnifex was capable of destroying a land Raider in a single swipe of thier claws. And a land raider tank has an adamantium layer for armor, which is a common occuring metal in 40k.

Said titan has starship level shielding with low end starship level weaponry that allows them to level an entire city with thier ordnance.

Thats far hard to quantify, since I have yet to see more info on the Thor unit but I do however know that the relevant firepower of the Space Marines are insane and most likely would be able to deal with a thor, given the fact that: A space marines normal gun is a semi-automatic rocket launcher capable of turning the upper torso of a normal human being into a mist of blood and guts in a single shot. Thier melta-guns have firepower which allows for a single shot to be the equivalent power of 1 ton of TNT, given that on the lower setting, the melta gun was able to instantly vaporize a few dozen cubic meters of ice.

Why would they need to?

A Space Marines main cannon (being the Nova Cannon) can shoot an office sized building projectile at high speed which creates a moon sized explosion. Has the Yamato done that? Also A SM battle barge as mentioned before cracks planets in half with their superweapons.

Ever heard of whirlwind missiles? And although this is SM oriented it should be noted that the Basalisk can fire as far as 125 km ranges.

A terminators armor is capable of being stepped on by a titan and survive (lower end titan no doubt) it also comes with its own adamantium layer and some variants of the Terminator armor carry thier own anti-air missile packs mounted on the shoulders.

Meh, cyclonic torpedoes are magnitudes more effective given its planet killing nature. Or just fire continent destroying broadsides

My other post has already mentioned how often that 40k tends to love to destroy thier worlds. Almost everyone does it in 40k.

 

hmm, arguing fluff will never get you anywhere, considering both games don't adhere to their fluff at all.

1. space marines are terrans, they are both heavily genetically modified, both have hardcore armour and a big ass gun
2. Zerg are tyranids without psykers
3. Protoss are the combination of ork strength and eldar philosophy/psionic ability

 

Eldar and Protoss are alike, there is no relation to Ork. Eldar too take pride in marshall prowess, atleast those who adhere to the great Khaine.

Space Marines>>>Marines. Marines wear thick armor and thats it... Space Marines are selected, put through rigorous training, recieve implants and biogenetic upgrades, and where twice as thick armor than space marines, obviously made of sturdier stuff.

Tyranids don't have any psykers, in fact in large enough numbers they can mute psychic energies - Zerg cover planets in... that weird black stuff... Tyranids consume its biomass and atmosphere leaving it a barren rock. So far, more than trillions of Tyranids have attacked the known galaxy, probably more but I can only count up to a trillion >.< And they suspect those only to be advanced forces.

One Imperator Titan, and a battle barge to carry it world to world will most likely have the ability to destroy all life in the Starcraft galaxy. Void shields ftw. And considering no SC race has void technology it'll march along kill everything in sight. Nukes, pfft... the barrel on the gun of an Imperator titan is larger than the blast radius of a nuke >.< /slight exaggeration maybe donno.

Edit: Protoss destroy worlds for sport? Never heard of that... WH40K worlds blow up by accident... one Alpha level psyker gets a little bit too rowdy and BAM... worlds gone. Life goes on...

Dark Archons control one unit at a time, one UNTRAINED, freak of nature Alpha psyker controls a whole city before he gets his ass Inquisitized... Therefore God-Emperor>>>>>>>>>>>> x Infinite >>>> Dark Templar. It's also safe to say Eldar are far more experienced than any Protoss... and if they can't beat the God-Emperor than Protoss have no chance in hell. In fact im pretty sure the occurance of any Chaos entity in the SC universe would send the highest Templar cowering in a corner...

 

... protoss have great physical strength like the orcs, Elder are weak.
you cant compare space marine armor to terran armor because they are both made up.

The only playable titan in 40k is the warhound, which the THOR is more than capable of dealing with.


the amount of worlds being blown up is meaningless, protoss have the ability to easily destroy a planet, however they dont need to because there not idiots

btw; show me a human psyker in 40k who can transform his body into pure energy, capable of destroying the overmind

 

Not true. You can simply benchmark thier abilities using known fluff to see what the hell they can withstand. Fluff states that some armor can withstand lasgun shots. And believe it or not lasgun shots are capable of penetrating 3 meters worth of concrete. Marine armor uses Ceramite and inch of Ceramite is the equivalent of 12 inches of conventional steel.

Imperator's, Emperor Class and what knot are playable in Epic 40,000 and appear multiple times in novelizations. Warhound titans being only a scout class of titan can be armed with various weapons such as the plasma blastgun, vulcan mega bolter, Inferno gun and Turbolaser. A plsama blastgun is classed as a titan killer which states the obvious fact that the gun is more then capable of turning other titans into slag. Mega bolters and Inferno are more or less meant for killing infantry en giant masses and the Turbo laser is a dual lascannon designed to deal with heavy armored vehicless.

Actually it means a whole lot, showing that 40k has far more experience in blowing up worlds and possesses the variety of weapons that are necessary in blowing up a planet. Also what should be noted is that the Protoss do not actually "destroy" a planet per say. They more or less glass the planet and just merely destroy all inhabitants. While granted 40k does the same thing, they still do however have weapons that escalate them to the "crack a planet" in half class.

The God Emperor of Mankind destroyed the soul of Horus who was the embodiment of 4 chaos Gods. The same chaos God's who move stars around to write thier signature in space, and turn a sun into slug just by taking a quick glance at all. Believe it or not soul destruction and soul manipulation is commonplace in 40k. Grey Knight Nemesis melee weapons are designed to annihilate souls, which is a neccessity in 40k given the nature of the warp. It's necessary so as to avoid demons coming back for second shots at the Imperium. Some soul manipulating weapons even go as far as executing a heretic 7 times over by killing him, putting his soul back and killing him again and again. The effects of soul manipulation would clearly have adverse effects on the consciousness of the overmind.

 

omg, you cannot compare 40k fluff to starcraft 'ingame' If you want to talk about all the books and epic then it all becomes pointless.

1. how do you know that space marine armour is stronger than terran marine armour, even though most of us assume that space marine armour is stronger, there isnt any evidence
2. Who cares about the weapons on a titan, all of what you said has nothing to do with a warhound and a THOR being relatively equal matches.
3. If you hadnt noticed, the protoss mothership has an ability called "planet cracker" which in the fluff would be able to destroy a planet
4. all i asked was 1 human psyker who could transform his body into pure energy. If you want to start talking about other races, like chaos Gods then i gues il have to talk about the XelNaga

this topic has become meanigless...

 

By all means. Point out where I ever was using ingame mechanics to ever compare 40k to starcraft. It is common ettiquete in a versus debates to go by a fluff by fluff basis, and yes I have seen SC fluff. Such as Libertys Crusade, during Chu Sara and the glassing of that planet by the protoss. I also know of Shadow of the Xel'naga which places a zergling's survivability to getting killed by farmers with pitchforks.

Yet there is still existing evidence on the part of the Space Marine armor compared to the Terran Marine armor, just because there exist evidence on one side does not mean that when the other side does not have any that said evidence should be omitted.

Of course your assuming there is sufficient evidence that tells us that the THOR has the firepower yields, the armor capabilities to actually deal with a warhound titan. Stating the relative weaponry on the Warhound titan is imperative to show what kind of damage it can deal out to it's opponents. As mentioned before the melta-gun has firepower the equivalent of 1 ton of TNT. A lascannon is a more sophisticated version of the melta-gun(IIRC) and has yields close to, if not higher then said 1 ton of TNT power. The Titan's plasma blastgun which I state again is classed a "titan killer" shows that said weapon is capable of decimating other titans just like it, if not greater which means that the titan killer is capable of penetrating a whole crapload of mega-thick armor. Commonly expected in anything that so much as resembles a titan.

Said statement is highly arbitrary. The statement does not show how far they would be able to crack the planet. It could range from cracking the whole damn thing in half like a Space Marine Battle barge, just merely cracking through the surface with a city sized crack, or cracking a piece of a giant continent in half, all of which relates to "planet cracking"

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The aformentioned Chaos Gods was merely used to benchmark the powers of the human(sort of) God Emperor of Mankind. Feel free to re-read my statement again to confirm this. And how is the Xel'naga impressive compared to human psykers?

Then why debate it with me?

 

the problem is that starcraft has almost zero fluff compared to 40k, and im not interested in talking about stuff that doesnt exist so i will stop replying
and there is a big difference between fluff that comes directly from the company and the stuff that is written in novels...

edit; all my posts were originally about 'ingame' not fluff

 

Tyranids do have psykers. Their psychic energy is so powerful and different from the psykers of the other races and there are so many of them that it mutes other psychic energies. In fact, every small tyranid creature is commanded by the psychic energy of the larger ones.

So far 3 Hive Fleets have attacked the known galaxies. These are in order of largest to smallest Behemoth, Kraken and Leviathan. Even Behemoth numbered more then a thousand hive ships, which meant trillions or quadrillions of creatures, plus more after every planet they consume. These weren't even the first Tyranids. Genestealers were found on the moons of............... ok I cant remember what the moon was called but they were found there over 500 years before the first tyranid contact. Also other strange creatures that have been found on planets that have been known to live there for thousands of years have had Tyranid DNA. Imperial Scientist/Whatever they are called have done tests and research and if all these creatures are tyranids, they believe that over 12 fleets have been in Human space. Not to mention the area of space owned by the other races. Thus, they believe that there are thousands more Hive Fleets out there. If 3 of them almost wiped out the Human race and did major damage to the Orks and Eldar, 1000 or even 20 would destroy all life in the known galaxies.

 

I love starcraft, never played warhammer 40k
so i voted for starcraft

btw which one came first:
terran marines or...
space marines???