new idea. new banshee. new role.

I like your idea Zeratul11, but I think we should change the banshee to an air-to-air fighter unit because Terrans are based so heavily on ground now.

 

Why remove their only specialised Air-to-Ground fighter to add an Air-to-Air fighter? It's not that they're based so heavily on Anti-Ground now, it's that they're based so heavily on Ground-to-Ground. They still need Air-to-Ground units like the Banshee, it's just that the rest of the army needs to be balanced accordingly. That means more Ground-to-Air units and another Air-to-Air unit.

 

About Banshee propulsion: it's been a few years, so how come they aren't using the whatever-it-was dangerous-experimental system that they were using to keep Vultures up?

 

Vultures hovered just above the ground, they weren't up in the air. There'd be a difference between hovering just off the ground and hovering however far up in the sky. The Vulture's thrusters would have, basically, pushed against the ground whereas the Banshee's would, basically, push against the air, and because we all know the ground is more solid and provides more resistance than the air, it wouldn't be able to work on ships like the Banshee because there wouldn't be such a resistive surface to push against, which is why Banshee's need different method of propulsion to hover.

 

Lol like I've said before:

Harrier jet.
http://people.bath.ac.uk/cjc25/year1assignment.htm

 

there. now get rid of the propellers.

 

In other words, just make it into yet another stereotypical Terran air unit. That was the beauty behind the Banshee. It was something never before seen in the midst of the Terran armada. It's already had it's unique attack removed, so why do you want to get rid of the uniqueness of the model as well? Then it would just be a normal jet with a single target Air-to-Ground attack. If anything, that's a textbook example of an unoriginal unit.

@ Psionicz. Vultures did not use Harrier Jet engines.

 

I never said they did. Its just that you ruled out the possibility of something hovering in the air, so there it is.

 

No he didn't. He ruled out the possibility of something hovering in the air using Vulture technology/thrusters.

 

^ even tho thats the case, there is still a feeling that he said that with the purpose of proving that hovering in air regardless of what kind of engine is impossible or not practical simply bcoz he dont want it for the banshee. haha. but that is not true the harrier are very common and useful, just imagine it 200-300 years from now.

@itza

advance helicopter in sci fi is very unoriginal and not innovative sci fi. twin turbo engines at least look more futuristic sci fi justifiable than the propellers.

 

Why would he try to prove something like that? Vikings, Nomads and Battlecruisers can idle in mid-air just fine, right? This was Vulture thrusters we were talking about.
The reason we don't want thrusters on the Banshee is because that would be unoriginal.

You are mixing up the term "original" with the term "futuristic". In a futuristic setting, twin turbo engines would be normal, and rotors would therefore be more original.

I can't seriously understand how you can consider twin turbo engines "innovative" in a sci-fi.

 

Well, the idea with bringing the Vulture thing up was that, maybe the Banshee could use a bigger, more advanced version of that, that can haul a larger vehicle higher into the air.

 

But that's where design and originality comes in. There are already lots of jets and thrusters in Starcraft 2. Frankly there are no heli-like vehicles, and rotors just happen to fit the theme of the stealthy Banshee.

 

i know you were talking about the vulture thrusters.

how can thruster be unoriginal. its slightly different from the viking, bc, etc... since the thruster is clearly sideway visible and vertical making it hover like which makes it different from other terran air units thus making it terran first and original as well.

yes the propellers looks very different and "original" compared to all other terran air units but thats the problem. it doesn't look fitting with the terran air units (yes bcoz of the fans and helicopter look), im not saying its really bad but come on, im sure blizzard could come up with something better that is more innovative.

and i did not say the engines were innovative. at least imo the engines looks more innovatively cool for the banshee and terran than the propellers.

 

I'm back, baby!

I was never proving that hovering in air regardless of what kind of engine is impossible or not practical. I never even mentioned any other kind of hover engine other than the Vulture's. It's completely obvious to anyone that it is more than possible to hover in the air, just as we've seen with the Science Vessel and Nomad, and also the rest of Terran air from a gameplay point of view.

Advanced helicopters are unoriginal and not innovative for StarCraft2? That's a pretty mindless statement. Let's strike a deal, I'll list all of the jets in StarCraft1 and StarCraft2, and you list all the helicopters in StarCraft1 and StarCraft2, so we can see which one is more original, unique an innovative. Here're the ones that use jet engines; Valkyrie, Wraith, Battlecruiser, Science Vessel, Dropship, Viking and Nomad, and I'll tell you what, I'll even do your part for you, so here're the helicopters; Banshee. Unoriginal? Not unique? Not innovative? Not at all.

It's unoriginal because it's used in almost every Terran ship as well as some Terran vehicles and most Protoss ships and, again, some of their vehicles. It's all over the place. Having thrusters on the Banshee would not make it a Terran first and would not make it unique.

The Banshee looks different to the other Terran ships just as the Mothership looks different to the other Protoss ships. I don't see you complaining that the Mothership does not fit in with the rest of the Protoss, so I don't see why you're making the exact same point about the Banshee. Also, I find it odd that you're complaining about the Banshee not fitting in with the rest of the Terran Air units in this thread when you're saying that there should be a thinner, sleeker, more anime-style Viking in another thread.

This, to me, suggests that you don't truly understand when 'innovative' is. It basically means 'new'. Engines are old and have already been used several times over. Now that's not to say that they shouldn't be used any longer, but it's undeniable that they're old. Helicopters are new and have not already been used. If they're able to be incorporated, why would you want to change them back to the old and already used engines? Engines wouldn't look 'innovatively cool', they'd just look like the same old thing. There'd be nothing innovative about it at all.

 

well to be fair the banshee doesnt have propellers it has fan jets or how ever you say it

and the design fits well with the role it has been created for, aerial ground support

 

"Advanced helicopters are unoriginal and not innovative for StarCraft2? That's a pretty mindless statement. Let's strike a deal, I'll list all of the jets in StarCraft1 and StarCraft2, and you list all the helicopters in StarCraft1 and StarCraft2, so we can see which one is more original, unique an innovative. Here're the ones that use jet engines; Valkyrie, Wraith, Battlecruiser, Science Vessel, Dropship, Viking and Nomad, and I'll tell you what, I'll even do your part for you, so here're the helicopters; Banshee. Unoriginal? Not unique? Not innovative? Not at all."
Pwn
sorry but I had to say that.
Anyway I think that the model for the banshee should be unchanged as it been mentioned several times it is unique in the starcraft universe. Even though rotors are common place now a days, in the future as you can see, jet engines are far more common. Not only do the rotors look cooler IMO but the they make a lot less sound than jet engines do which helps if your trying to ambush a unit and not give your position. Jet engines don't strike me as the most sneaky thing in the terran armoury. And please don't say that its the future and that engines are quieter.

 

but its the future and engines are quieter

 

im not pwn. i just see innovation differently. and i now it means new and ground breaking etc....

il debate abut this later.

 

ummm sorry but I can't really understand your last posts. I think you were in a rush but could you at least try to get a proper sentence?
Also Hex completely shut you down on your point, I see that as pwnage but feel free to disagree.