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Game is really starting to piss me off. Just can't seem to win.

Discussion in 'StarCraft 2 Strategy Discussion' started by Willpower101, May 30, 2010.

Game is really starting to piss me off. Just can't seem to win.

  1. Taji

    Taji Guest

    Just last night I was doing 2v2s with a friend against a mirror match zerg vs protoss. By the time we attacked their base, I had about two dozen hydras with a few roaches and my ally had a mix of stalkers/immortals. Their resistance involved about a fourth of our army and got decimated. During the process they called us noob rushers (lol).

    My tips are:
    - Don't play blind. Scout, harass, expand constantly.

    Generally my strat is to scout out their base, harass their workers, make a group of tier 1 units just to move around the map and take out unguarded expansions, and take map control. Playing blindly is the quickest recipe to a GG. For instance if I send a drone and see the toss is going double gate, I immediately drop a few spine crawlers and prepare to counter a rush. If I see a stargate popping up, I create a second queen and drop an evolution chamber to get some early anti air against single/small grouped void ray harass while I quick tech hydras. If I see a robotics coming up, up goes my spire to take care of collossus.

    To win it's all about reacting to what's going on in the game. Hope that helps
     
  2. tskarz

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    Someone may have mentioned it, but do you watch replays of your losses? Also, there is a nice function on the score screen that allows you to view your opponent's build order. If they were very good, jot down the basics of their build order, watch the replay, and then try to see when they are pulling ahead unit wise. It sounds like you are getting out macroed big time so take note of when they are expanding, probe distribution, etc...

    SC1 was much harder and required a much higher APM, but as long as you have the basics down and have a general feel for when you should be macroing economy, when you should be building military (how much, what unit type counters enemy, etc...), you should be fine.

    As far as general tips (take my advice with grain of salt, I am mediocre diamond player and by no means competitive) Just think maximum effort minimum efficiency.... You should only build military units if there is an immediate purpose, you should only expand if you can reasonably expect to defend it and saturate it with workers, and you should only get an upgrade if you are going to use it and it can't wait.

    Example 1) you see your opponent fast expanding, you can either build up an army quickly and push or expand yourself to keep up in the macro game. DON'T just build a few zealots and dragoons because you think you should have a few units lying around.

    ex2) If your opponent is rushing, DON'T spazz out and build a ton of static D and units... size up their army with good scouting and only build what you need to survive. Spend the rest on saturating your mineral lines and expanding.

    The worst mistake you can make is think you are doing nothing wrong, when in fact you are probably making tons of big mistakes (we all do!) Watch your replays, pin point your mistakes, and start plugging those leaks.
     
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  3. cHowziLLa

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    its not a question of you being mis-matched... don't make excuses, just get better.

    its obvious that the problem, is that you arent getting your economy up fast enough as you are pumping out units, more $ means more stuff to build, build another gateway when you have extra dollas while you are pumping out units and probes

    i keep in mind: i need to get my 16 workers on my minerals asap, while still committing to my build order
     
  4. tskarz

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    Someone may have mentioned it, but do you watch replays of your losses? Also, there is a nice function on the score screen that allows you to view your opponent's build order. If they were very good, jot down the basics of their build order, watch the replay, and then try to see when they are pulling ahead unit wise. It sounds like you are getting out macroed big time so take note of when they are expanding, probe distribution, etc...

    SC1 was much harder and required a much higher APM, but as long as you have the basics down and have a general feel for when you should be macroing economy, when you should be building military (how much, what unit type counters enemy, etc...), you should be fine.

    As far as tips for macro (take my advice with grain of salt, I am mediocre diamond player and by no means competitive) Just think maximum effort minimum efficiency.... You should only build military units if there is an immediate purpose, you should only expand if you can reasonably expect to defend it and saturate it with workers, and you should only get an upgrade if you are going to use it and it can't wait.

    Example 1) you see your opponent fast expanding, you can either build up an army quickly and push or expand yourself to keep up in the macro game. DON'T just build a few zealots and dragoons because you think you should have a few units lying around.

    ex2) If your opponent is rushing, DON'T spazz out and build a ton of static D and units... size up their army with good scouting and only build what you need to survive. Spend the rest on saturating your mineral lines and expanding.

    The worst mistake you can make is think you are doing nothing wrong, when in fact you are probably making tons of big mistakes (we all do!) Watch your replays, pin point your mistakes, and start plugging those leaks.
     
  5. Willpower101

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    I think i must be wasting money on workers. I've been pumping up to 24 workers. 3 for each min feild. and 6 for the two geysers.

    Also I never said I thought I was mis-matched. I don't even like playing against lower players.

    Plenty of good advice from both of you. Yes I've been meticulously studying the replays trying to see where I went wrong and they got so fast. I'm basically having a problem keeping up with production. I have all my buildings hotkeyed, but I still gain too many minerals while out microing the harassments.

    Also I can't ever seem to win if I don't harass. Basically, if I wait at all, and the other player doesn't harass, so I try to do a large build, they just hit with more units.

    I'm still playing high silvers on 1v1. However in 2v2 it seem slike everyone is an idiot and either wants to "go long" or drop. I have players that sit there and don't do crap, players that constantly build expansions too early and let the enemy harassment destroy them, players that try to build massive air forces of a single unit and get them wiped out, and the ones that just drop after like 1 minute during a ranked game. These types of players drug me down to copper in 2v2 when playing as terran. Now that I'm in copper on 2v2 I'm anihilating both enemies with zerg or toss before my partner even gets his base fully walled off. :p
     
  6. VampireBob

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    I've seen a couple questions about how many workers to make. The rule I go by is never stop making them. Always have at least one building. If you're Zerg, like me, just make one whenever you're gonna make 4 units or so. Whenever I select my hatchery to build something I always hit 's' then 'd' before I start making anything else. When one base gets over saturated, make an expo. If you have lots of workers lying around, at least you have extra if you get harassed.

    It hasn't steered me wrong yet.
     
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    practice out your build orders.

    also, a very good map and video to check out:
    http://blip.tv/file/3683433
     
  8. KaptenKurr

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    well the easiest way to micro a probe while building units is to bind them to different keys, when i play i always bind the scout-drone to 1 and my build-units-thingy to 2 which makes it alot easier to build units while i scout.

    i think the protoss are the easiest to win against since most people go either two gateways right in the start which means mass zealots which is easily countered by lots of roaches.

    or they go forge/gateway which means that they will be getting stalkers or stalkers/zealots which means i prolly get another exp, get some defeneses they wait til they attack and then counter.

    what you should try is to build some stalkers/zealots for defense and then rush void rays.

    i am not a good protoss player but i know that its really hard to counter void rays if you dont expect it.
     
  9. cHowziLLa

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    you mean cybercore/gateway :D