Executor, Commander, Cerebrate.

"But it's not really that big of a mistake to assume he's a DT. Only a DT doesn't have those "hair" things. If you don't know about the fact that that's an art flaw, then I find this mistake to be quite understandable."

True. Not everyone has Frontline.

"Further, Artanis appears in Brood War and was then only recently made an Executor."

Artanis was retconned in Story So Far. If you can post on a forum, you can check that out. (Also he was retconned in Queen of Blades, but lots of people didn't treat it as canon, since Blizzard didn't directly write it.)

"Since the Conclave started working together with the DT, I don't see how it's impossible for a DT to became an Executor after the events that took place before Brood War."

They never did. The Conclave said "sorry" and then what wasn't killed by Tassadar was erased by the zerg. Of course, while the Conclave would never promote a Dark Templar, Aldaris could have done so after the death of the Conclave.

"And who says that a DT can't pilot a Scout?"

They can... if you treat Shadow of the Xel'Naga as canon. (It was a crappy novel, though.)

Anyway, I think now everyone reading this thread knows Artanis is a Templar, not a dark one.

 

I never said a DT actually became an Executor. I just tried to explain why I think there's no reason for them being unable to become one. Apart from most of them being killed, that is.

And yes, only most of them. I don't know if you meant all DT except for Zeratul got killed, but if you did: that's impossible. Void Rays and Stalkers prove that there are still plenty of DT left. Not even mentioning the regular DT who you can still use. So I'm not really sure what you meant there? :s

And I'd say Shadow of the Xel'Naga is canon. Haven't actually read it, but the summaries and lore I read on the Wiki aren't marked as not being canon. I generally just go with what the wiki says. And with you being pretty active over there, it's probably correct as well.

Lastly, I really saw no reason to read "the story thus far". I've played the campaign plenty of times and discussed and read about it even more so. Maybe I should read it tomorrow or something. Maybe they changed more with the last update.

 

If Artanis is the executor from the first game.... Is it possible that the mathew character on the hyperion is the magistrate? I mean he seems like he would be...

 

He's too young, must've been less than twenty years old during the time he was Magistrate, because it says he's in his early twenties four years later in SC2. It also says on the wiki he joined the Sons of Korhal and desserted a long with Jim Raynor, but because of his age I'm imagining he's more of a kid that joined the army, not some "Magistrate" controlling a vast army. I still vote for that the Magistrate in the orginal SC was in BW infact Duran.

 

Vanilla PCs
To clear everything up, the Cerebrate of vanilla was killed by Tassadar in Queen of Blades.

The vanilla Executor is indeed Artanis.

The Magistrate (Commander) in a lore sessio with Chris Metzen, is said to be "dead, gone", but he said all PCs. Clearly this means that he's breaking canon himself, so this allows the commander to be still alive. Else, Artanis would be dead. Also, Duran was in Alpha Squadron, or so it says (though his role is mysterious until Dark Origins) during most of Episode I, at least masquerading to be a real marine in it. The Magistrate WAS not in Alpha Squadron.

Also, Raynor knew the Magistrate well. ID, you still do have the credit of clearing up one theory, but I've cleared up yours. Sorry if I sound negative at all. Also, in Queen of Blades, the Magistrate is gone Raiders within six weeks. But however, Raynor never sees Duran in Brood War, because he possibly may have been 'surprised' by him, or at least vastly familiar and recognizable.. Also, if Duran posed as a planetary magistrate, no one would suspect him of becoming the leader of a Confederate remnants faction.

Brood War PCs

The Executor of Brood War probably goes on to become a Praetor, or could possibly be whatever that female executor is in LoTV. However, I thought she was called Selendis, but isn't that the Avatar™ female Na'vi? (however, Artanis had an outstanding promotion rate, being promoted from Executor to Praetor in the space of weeks).

The Cerebrate of Brood War cannot survive without an Overmind, so it says, but Kerrigan is a subsitstute commander, so its probably still alive.

Ah, the Captain. The Captain led to victory many, many UED operations and battles. I'm so desperate for him to be one of the surviving packets of UED not at the battle of (speculation; Char Aleph) the Char orbital platform in Omega. Or, another reason I'm willing to take is that he got promoted to Commodore or Rear Admiral and his battlegroup managed to find a small protoss fleet with arbiters ready to teleport them, and they would of been saved, and Stukov would become their leader and they would find another Psi Disruptor and... lol, I'm making wild claims.

Anyway, thats my thesis on the PCs.

 

I really hope that Stukov returns in SCII.

 

He was attacked by thousands of Scourge. What do you expect?

 

Where you picked that from?

 

I don't think he meant dead. I think he means they ditched the idea of having a faceless commander.

Yes he did. He saw him in the first zerg mission.

Duran can't be the magistrate. And I'm a bit confused by your points here. I thought you were first arguing he couldn't be the magistrate, but at the end it seems you were arguing that he was.

I could tackle the latter theory, but there's no point if I'm just confused.

Artanis' rank was retconned from praetor to executor. Selendis was probably the PC executor from Brood War. (And yeah, that means some of Artanis' lines no longer make sense.)

No, Blizzard clarified that all cerebrates are dead.

Link: http://sclegacy.com/interviews/10-blizzard/281-scl-metzen-interview-lore-exclusive

Also, it was pretty clear by the Dark Templar Saga that Kerrigan had no more cerebrates.

"Where you picked that from?"

From Story So Far part 1 or 2. It's on www.starcraft2.com

 

"But however, Raynor never sees Duran in Brood War"

'Yes he did. He saw him in the first zerg mission.'


That's wrong. Vice-Admiral Stukov never saw Raynor and Raynor never saw Stukov at all.
In the first mission of the Zerg in BW you (the Cerebrate) had to kill the Zerg renegates which were under the control of the UED who controled the Zergs thanks to their Psi Perturbator. This machine has been saved thanks to the intervention of Stukov who tried to defend it against Samir Duran who wanted this machine to be out of service. Stukov paid his life in defending it. Dran killed him.

Stukov was dead before the Zerg campaign of BW started.

 

I was talking about Duran, not Stukov.

 

Yes, my bad. Can't understand what my eyes read.
True, Raynor saw Duran in the first mission of the Zerg campaign in BW.

 

I can see Raynor picking up the UED captain , but not trusting him until a few missions in at least. Or a mission against the UED captain , that would settle that nicely.

 

Remember Stukov isn't dead - secret level in N64 vers as proof.

 

starcraft 64 NEVER EXISTED.

 

how come i have a copy then? :wacko:

 

Do you have a video camera? Would you mind filming Resurrection IV and putting it on youtube?

 

i dont...if u dont mind waiting for me to complete every mission again....i will sure upload it when i do

p.s never played this mission tho....but as i can see thats how u unlock it

 

i think ressurection IV was converted to a custom map for the pc game, and blizzard have confirmed the canonity

 

Stukov was pretty awesome, hopefully he will return in sc 2 .