Early GG, How Bad?

That is his fault for assuming that you were dead just because you said GG. I know people who say GG even when they are not dead just to hope that the opponent stops really Macroing because he thinks he has the game won and will use a hidden expansion to build up.

This is Starcraft and you need to do anything you can to win, it's not 7th grade basketball where you need to practice sportsmanship, really anything you can do to win is fair game.

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i take the completely opposite stance. it's just a game, you don't have to play as if your life depended on it. there's room for good manners.

that said, it's not good to trust a stranger on the internet. c'mon kids, you learned this in school, from your parents, and on PBS.

 

When I think "it's just a game" it means you take a more light-hearted view on taunts and scuffles, not adapt some strict almost ceremonial manner. I think there's something about half-full, half-empty here

 

I probably only say things like gl/hf/gg about 20%-40% of the time.

It's not that I don't like you, or don't respect you, but its probably late, I'm tired and trying to relax, and I find having to adjust my hands to type those trifles annoying and inconvenient.

 

I think most people consider it pretty BM for the player who is winning to say gg first. It's kind of like going "I win!".

I know most people get pretty pissed off by this

 

That's the exact kind of thing that will trigger me to draw out the game if I'm losing. You might want to put your ego in the back seat if you actually intend to accomplish your goal of getting people to leave.

 

I don't if they have good reason to think its gg. Getting pissed over it when it is a reasonable assumption (or known fact) by the opponent is reading far too much into two letters on a screen. I'd go as far as to say it is the player getting upset having esteem/ego issues, and I'd be willing to bet it is a less common reaction for more skilled players.

 

Agree 100%, it's really laughable with people talking about being honourable and polite, then coming on a forum saying all that don't say GG and leave are ****-heads and should be banned for life, or worse

Do you really think you can talk about "putting you ego in the back seat" when you say that you refuse to surrender just because of some friendly taunts?

 

After a game of pool I do 'GG' with a handshake and a friendly smile. You can't do either of that via text, which is why I think most people, including myself, consider it boasting and teasing when it comes from the winner first. It's true that there must be an underlying negative assumption to interpret two letters in such a way, which might mean something about the person's character, but pessimism and optimism are two separate approaches and neither of them is better than the other. That is to say, my assumption that the GG is a taunt is just as right and (un)founded from my perspective (without the ability to actually find out) as considering it good manners from someone else's.

Note that with a smile or a different way or wording (well in this case, actually wording it rather than spewing out the automatic response) like "damn that was good" or, you know, anything else that makes it more personal, is of course welcome even from the winner first. But the two letters and nothing else really does imply the arsehole attitude of grinding "noobs" (and I loathe that word because it's again taking the piss) in an effortless, boasting, rinse-and-repeat manner, a fine example of which is #37. Yes, you're better, and yes, the other person knows it, but if you need to boast with it or you can't take the effort of making it sound better just to be on the safe side then it's not just the people interpreting two letters negatively who might have issues.

I just can't understand why people don't treat internet folk the same way they do people in person. Unless they talk with people in the same arrogant manner they use on the internet in which case :wacko:

ps and this is coming from a Hungarian who are considered to be blunt compared to British, though considering my upbringing I'm more the latter, which might explain it

 

Agreed with the above. Manners is something a lot of SC2 players are lacking in.

 

I never GG if I lose. I always call the other person a lying cheating sonofa***** ****ing cheating asshole cheating camel **** mother****er a few times. Or words to that effect.

And when I do win a game and he GGs and leaves, I usually return to the game and totally wipe out his stuff before ending the game. It makes me feel better.

 

I think we all already know what to do in such afore mentioned situations.

 

It's not about pessimism or optimism or the merits of each. The lack of context (or extent to which there isn't any.....context can exist in other forms that do not require face to face interaction) makes ANY assumption beyond the purely textual meaning of the letters unfounded.

I would neither assume the person typing "gg" is doing it with a "handshake and a friendly smile" anymore than they are doing with a smirk as a taunting gesture. If I respond it is either because I had fun and mean it, or because it is a perfunctory response. Like strangers exchanging hurried greetings in a hallway, or exchanging "g'days" with a sales clerk as you leave the store.

 

gg = the end of game. I've had a couple cases where I've typed gg and then decided to keep on playing. In most of those cases I would give them a "oh nvm" just so, if anything, maybe they were delayed like a few seconds and hopefully it didn't matter much. It hasn't happened much but it has happened a few times (out of whatever thousands of games).

Sounds to me like the guy blew up on you. If it happened to me I'd probably be like, "Hey man I stopped building" and try to explain myself. I've actually had false ggs cost or almost cost me games before.

 

I find it funny that people take "GG"ing so seriously. Especially when it was an obvious mistake. Sure, if he's being a **** and GGing because he knows he won, then that's not very polite, but hardly something to be angry about. Same thing here.

I guess I'm just too much of a casual, though.

*EDIT* and I find it the guys fault for stopping production. EVEN IF they say GG, keep building. You never know if it's a trick, accident, or anything else.

 

I dunno of this is possible but I'd like to have a blacklist option on SC2 there I can blacklist players I want to and never get games from them in ladder. Then if anyone pulled an early GG on me and then attacked me after I'd sa"thanks mate and now I'll blacklist you". So I would never again play with the early GGers.

 

You will never be able to blacklist players in that fashion because it allows the user to influence the matchmaking system and serves no purpose beyond your own gratification that muting doesn't already accomplish.

 

The whole "its just 2 letters" argument is really, really silly. You can apply a similar argument to pretty much anything verbal or written. If someone said "F U" to you, is that just 2 letters? What if it was ur Mom? Lets not pretend verbal or written things have no meaning.

It's just a case of simple manners. In a SC game, when you surrender you say "gg", your opponent should respond with "gg", and the game is over. It's not difficult to do, it requires no effort. It's not some enormous ceremony, its just what is considered to be good manners.

Im sure most of you practise good manners in all other social aspects of your life, just as I'm sure you'd shake hands with the winner after playing some kind of sports match. In Starcraft its a simple "gg", is that really so difficult?

Like I don't mean to make such a big deal out of it, but its just so painfully simple to do. If you played a game of tennis with someone and won, wouldn't you consider it rude if he just turned his back and stormed off the court without shaking your hand or congratulating you?

 

yeah, seriously. it takes infinitely less effort than a friggen handshake. if it takes that much effort for you to show good manners, you need to stop playing starcraft and go outside. talk to real life people.

 

Lol, if you care over who says GG, you're sad... simple as that.