Early GG, How Bad?

Well it's bad manners, yeah, but your opponent should never assume you're giving up just because you said gg - in Crota's shoutcasts he often specifically says that he always continues to play even after the gg just in case. I personally like to play even after my opponent quits, just for fun.

If you do say gg and then decide not to surrender, it's polite to say "on second thought let's keep playing" or "ignore that gg" or "but let's finish this" or something to that effect, even if it does reveal a bit about your position.

One thing that's less clear to me is whether "wp" (well played) should be taken as a clear sign of surrender or not.

 

But you have to remember not all players are polite.
People will bluff with a fake GG.
People will hide that CC or pylon or whatever in the corner of the map just to be annoying.
People will map hack and use other hacks.

And nothing we can do about it really. it's jsut part of SC2.

 

well u cant hide a pylon tbh

 

So it's not a viable strategy to call gg then when he's off-guard take him out? Personally I think if someone stops playing competitive, and what starts to click units to hear their voices (?) just because someone says gg he deserve to lose. It's not like it could really work in a real competitive game, or that you could call gg at any time for the same effect. Even though the OP did it unwittingly I think if you had planned it it would be a really nice plan

Although I've never played SC2 I've watched a lot of replays and have some clue how it works. I would say it's similar to early-game harass, it's like a test of your opponents mettle. If he fails to block it there probably wouldn't be any high level of late-game fighting and it's best to just take him out. In-fact hearing someone make a comment earlier (and reading through all the posts whining about "rude" players on the Battle.net-forum) that he would just rush someone if he didn't say gl hf, I've a good mind to just ignore the "politeness" with people I've never met before as it seems the best way to provoke bad players to slip up early.

Who said some mind-games weren't a part of real-time strategy? I thought a lot was psychology, like which units you want to show off when, when to retreat and so on. If a player does indeed change his play-style based on what you say in the chat-box I say you should use it to your advantage

 

Thanks for the responses. Even though it was an honest mistake and I wasn't trying to shoot an angle, I realized I was in the wrong... I just wasn't sure how bad this was (one of the worst things you could do? or a minor annoyance that happens from time to time). If this happened in future, which I hope it wouldn't, I'll prob just say something like "sorry, nvm" and keep playing.

I apologize in advance if fake GG's become the new cheezy craze

 

What about the honour code? Actually playing the game with a bit of decency and having a fair fight? Or are people just deceiving scum who only want to use cheap mind tricks always to help themselves win.

Sure you all can act like this. But personally if I say GG I will surreender like 2 seconds later. If the opponents want to muck around with units, do it against the AI. I believe in fighting fairly. Well there's nothing fair in a bloody war with 3 alien races but you get my point .

 

Competition is competition. Play the win. This includes mind games of all variety's. Hell, if your at a LAN party give your opponent the finger to psyche him out. Be friendly after the game: Until then that person is your enemy.

 

Well it's a little hard to punch your opponent in the face if he's on the other side of the world but if he's across the room in a lan party you can. Just like a lan party I went to once.

We were all having a SC1 game via lan. And one person gave another person the finger. And called him a ****ing dirty cheating hore. So they both went outside and had a fight, and I went outside also to break it up. And person 4 stayed inside and whooped our bases on SC1 cause us 3 were outside and not playing.

 

That's why I used the early game-harass as an example. There's a pretty famous SC-player that considers harassing in general to be un-StarCraft. In-fact we've had some threads about people not liking rushing and harass. Then those could make the same honour-code vs. scum-argument. Personally I believe in all games all tools that the game provide is fair-game. If there's a problem it's with the balance, and with Blizzard doing the balancing I don't think anyone should have to hold back.

I think holding back, if you know or sense that someone will stop playing competitive if you say gg and you can actually use it to your advantage, would just be honouring their incompetence. Then learning to deal with mind games is just as important as dealing with harass, though as I said this isn't something that would be an issue in any real competitive games. I'm just speaking of the lower ones, that no-one should expect someone to stop playing just because he says gg.

 

Something similar can be done with Sentry hallucination. Unlike SC1 you can hallucinate from a menu of units. One game I did a Hallucination of 6 collosus, upon seeing this (at the time would be unbeatable) army my opponent got psyched out and quit.

 

What a funny idea. I really need to test this if I am ever going to choose toss. :-D

@topic: As some before said, in war and love anything is allowed. So, do what ever you need to win. The game is over when your oppponent has left. And not a second before! I NEVER stop playing until I see the button for the "victory screen" (or however it is called in the English client ... I am using the German client).

 

I say it doesn't matter if you GG, He's an idiot if he lets his guard down. For all he knew you were declaring that you had won by saying GG like I do to my enemies when I know they can't defend from my attacks. Not a BM in my book. Just not the most honorable thing to do even if it was on accident. If you believe in honor.

 

Dude.... that's even worse. Most people take that as gloating over their loss.

 

I sometimes do that but not in the same scenario. If someone ays GG to me at the end of the game I say GG back, because in my mind I think it's polite. I never thought that it could be taken that way. Is what I do just as bad?

 

No no. Sure if you are winning and the enemy gg's, you should gg back. But you shouldn't be the first one to say gg or that's gloating.

And yes, correct starcraft gg etiquette is very complicated.

 

This whole gg etiquette thing is retarded, plain and simple. That "OH HE SAID GG BUT DIDN'T QUIT I'LL JUST STOP BUILDING UNITS HURDUR" Is the most retarded excuse for losing ever. He's just pissed because you leveraged skill. GJ on the comeback, those are always hard.

 

I say GG all the time when I'm steamrolling through someone's base. Should I leave too? That's just my polite was of saying, "Please leave! I have other pwns to noob!". Otherwise, they get distracted by the pretty lights and I end up having to waste another two minutes just cleaning up when they should've already left.

 

I see nothing wrong with a premature GG. It's the same thing as me saying at the beginning of the game; "Plz don't rush me, I'm new!!" and then totally rushing them and wiping out their economy . Words mean nothing to me, honestly. This is war, and you will do what ever it takes to win. I don't care how many times someone says GG...until I see "playerX has quit the game" I don't stop eviscerating >.

But, I digress.

 

Some people are just introducing themselves as douches while others are reinforcing the already obvious.
I hope you get treated the exact same way in many other things.

 

Like that way of speaking
Anyways, i think you should mean what you say. Therefore if you say gg and think of its meanings, you should know it means you mean the game is done. EIther if you are winning and try to make them leave, or the normal case in which you are leaving.