Do NOT GG early if you think you're winning...

Saying "GG" is not improper use of a white flag. It is enhanced sportsmanship. I have a memo from the AG that proves it.

On a more serious note, I do not think saying "gg" if you believe you have won is bad sportsmanship. In fact, since we are talking about "sportsmanship", it would be widely considered to be poor sportsmanship in any actual sport not to congragulate your opponent on a game well played, even if they refrain from doing so themselves. SC offers a dilemma in that you might not be able to be 100% you've won, and if you wait until that point it is too late (leave game screen pops up and most people exit out right away). IMO that makes typing "gg" at the point you are mostly sure you've won ok, and most people who have a problem with it are just individuals who have become emotionally traumatized by e-bullying.

 

It's been a while since I last visited this thread, and I've already posted about how I feel about early GG from the winner. About the gl/hf bit, I only send hf because personally I don't want my opponent to think I don't consider them to be skilled enough to not need luck in order to win. That might sound silly, but I just go by the "treat others how you'd like to be treated" principle. Especially if you consider people who only send gl, which to me is like saying "gl you'll need it". That's what I want to avoid by omitting gl.

 

Haha no I don't believe in luck really. I just think its stupid to wish your enemy luck when the point of the game is to win. I always hf back haha.

 

GG after the battle is over.

 

Yes. Otherwise it just sounds snobby. It's one thing to GG if you know your going to get pummeled, but if ur winning? Nonononono. I see that as bad sportsmanship.

 

I don't understand how saying "good game" to someone is bad sportsmanship if you're the winner. I find it a polite comment no matter if it's coming from the winner or the loser.

 

because it means "good game... it's over so just give up already"

that's just being a douchebag.

 

No, it doesn't. That's just how your personal experiences have shaped your interpretation of it. But thanks for proving my point.

 

I see your point, but I would say that most often when the winner says "gg" it's when the game IS actually over.

 

saying gg as you move for the kill is bad sportsmanship. Its about like telling someone good game in the 3rd quarter of a football game because your up 3 TDs. It's up to the person who is losing to say gg then the winner should follow.
Equally lame (although I have done it for a cheap win, he cannon rushed and i was pissed) is to say gg in defeat when you have a hidden expansion you're getting going.

 

It's called mind games. Early gg'ing is a viable mind game. Especially if you get them to type back as you fly a bunch of void rays or banshees in their mineral line.

Play to win. GG.

 

well, that's when you're supposed to say it.

 

yeah dude ...you don't gg if you are winning. PERIOD

 

Although I see the point in that some people might consider it arrogance to get a "gg" from the winner, I think it depends on the situation: when the outcome is really clear and cannot be changed by any action of the loser (don't make up totally unrealistic scenarios, please), I'd think it fair of the winner to gg. If "gg" comes with a push, it's really just arrogance.

I would like to point out another perspective of winner's gg: it might even be more appropriate for the winner to judge the "quality" of the game. if he has won really easily and then the totally inferior loser says "good game" this might seem like pure arrogance or lack of selfjudgement. When to the contrary the winner says "good game" (even if he didn't find it too challenging), this is always ok and a friendly, cheering up move toward the loser. To give an example: Sometimes I feel I have sucked so badly and not even given my opponent one good or close battle I hesitate to gg, because I think that my opponent might just think "oh no, that was NOT a good but a boring game". So besides the arrogance thing (= premature gg) it might be the winner's "duty" to concede it was a good game.

 

just think about it with any other sport: even if your team is leading the other team 4-0 or something with 2 minutes left on the clock, do you just relax, go up to the other team members and start shaking their hands and say "good game! good game!"?

no. that makes you a douchebag. when the losing team throws in the towel and gives up, or when the match is officially over, you say GG. you shake hands and say "good game" after the game's over.

Khayman, it's pretty obvious you've never played any real-life (physical) sports if you think GGing before the end of a game is perfectly acceptable, or that the only people who consider it bad sportsmanship were traumatized as children or something.

 

Main difference: Whereas soccer players shake hands after the game, you have no chance to tell your opponent (who lost) that you think he played well and made for an exciting challenge after he will have left the game. If you wanna say something nice you must do so within the game. And although prematurely gging is just stupid, gging when your victory is inevitable (and normally that is recognizeable) can be a nice move of good sportsmanship.

 

That's a rather narrow scope you've got there asdf, claiming Khay has never played sports. You completely disregard the possibility of him actually being a douchbag IRL. I am disappoint.

As for Heidegger's post, that is actually the right approach, attributing content to the letters... I'm not sure if the second paragraph conveys something stronger than our support for the taunting interpretation, but it does bring up an interesting point, with the cheering up thing. Although I do think that for that purpose a full sentence would be more appropriate... or would that reek of being a lie/encouragement? I don't know, but I think I'd hazard that over just sending gg and leaving the possibility for my opponent to interpret it negatively open.

 

It's pretty clear you don't understand the technical and social differences involved in games where you share the same physical space as your opponent.

It is neither necessary to wait for "the game" to decide the winner to know who has won (unless you consider random opponent disconnects "winning") nor is it always possible. I already discussed that in my first post, and it was subsequently brought up again by Heidigger. I don't know how to better explain it to you if you still aren't getting it.

And yes, people who impute meaning where there is none mean they have had experiences that have caused them to interpret things a certain way. "gg", taken at face value, means nothing more than "good game". If you're reading something else into that without additional context then you most likely have experienced some level of social trauma (if that is too strong of a word for you, then "negative social interactions with other people") that has caused you to interpret it that way. Serious? Probably not. But it is there.

 

and people who claim there are no meanings other than the face value of words don't understand what 10 short years can do to foster culture. yeah, i've had "certain experiences." it's called STARCRAFT 1. and no, it wasn't "negative" or "traumatic," it's called SUBCULTURE. 10 years is a ton of time for a subculture to develop, and starcraft has one. saying "gg" is part of that subculture, and in context it is the equivalent of declaring the game is over.

and no, don't try to argue dictionary definitions or crap or i'll call you a *** and then say the dictionary definition is a cigarette. or say that you love to yiff, and that the "face value" meaning of the word is to make barking sounds. quit quoting "face value" and "defintion" when you're clearly talking about a STARCRAFT context. gg has a specific meaning in starcraft.

 

Nobody has disagreed with that, including me. However, what you asserted was that

Even in SC parlance "gg" without more context doesn't imply mockery, spite, or for your opponent to "just give up already."

In fact it's funny you're throwing context back at me when it's you making the assertion that "gg" is only used in a specific way, regardless of any context or lack thereof. I.e. it is you that seems to declare the context irrelevant and that SC subculture has locked "gg" into a specific meaning.

Context is very important (case in point both myself and Heidigger have been using lowercase instead of uppercase), and without it assuming the person telling you "gg" is trying to mock or degrade you in some way is a mistake.

ps. And frankly I think saying SC has a subculture of its own, at least State-side, is a stetch and not one anyone with a Masters+ in Sociology would make. Online gaming is a different matter, and again, context IS relevant.