And so we say goodbye to the maker of the Thriller

Lmao, drie.

 

Everything about him sucked even the little kids whom he molested (and got away with it), however most of the crimes he was put up to were pathetic people trying to sue for money but he did have problems. I will never cry for a dead person, why? Because a dead guy is a dead guy and if your dead, your failing. If you fail the fight for survival you deserved to die. If I got hit by a truck tomarrow, I deserve it, why? Not because I am mean, cold, heart-less, all around bad, 'evil', hateful, serious, and supporting fetus killing person. But because I wasn't fast enough to GTFOTW from a huge truck about to make me a smear on the ground. MJ died, thus he fails, all that he lived for is now worthless and something to be half-remembered from a guy who died.

 

See, I consider myself as fatalistic and cynical as the next guy, but I beg to differ.

Yes, if you became roadpaste, you'd be a fail. Worthless, yadda yadda blah blah blah.

However. MJ irrevocably, unarguably made a mark on the world. Not an itty bitty one, like inventing a better tire tread. He literally changed the face of music as we know it today. And music is eternal.

 

If he was so amazing why did he die? Why didn't he use his massive resources to at least try to improve his health, instead of using surgery all over his body. I'm not pinning his death on his vanity, but it sure didn't help him. Music may be eternal as long as the digital information of the music survives, however maybe music isn't just notes. Maybe its a philosophy, a metaphor, but to what it will be left to speculation and what the individual thinks. Yes he made a huge impact on others but does that make him good, or worth anything, was his life meaningful? Or do you just see him as another gear in the machine of Society, ready to be replaced but not forgotten? Was his life just for the betterment of Society? I say yes to all these things, as life is currently small and fragile.

 

Why? Because it's referred to as a mortal coil with reason. Life, by definition is finite. Why didn't he buy life? Who the hell cares? What does it matter? His dead was not due to his body modification, but, rather, the strain of a 50 year old man attempting to sing and dance like his body was 20.

Who the f*ck cares about the digital medium? I'm not even sure you understood what I'm talking about. Music is a defining aspect of culture (if you denounce culture, you're an idiot). He left his mark. I'm not saying it's good, I'm not even saying it was meaningful. You don't understand the concept of worth apparently. Worth is a direct result of influence. I never said it was better for him to die. You're drawing completely non-sequiter conclusions here.

 

I was on b-net, someone said a black guy who goes white, will die....... Darth Bane, you are right about a few things of his health but i'm with fenix. HE DID LEAVE A HUGE MARK ON THE WORLD, billy jean is known everywhere in many cultures.

 

just because you die doesn't mean you fail. as Phoe said, life is finite and you are going to die. By your definition, a person who dies as a fetus fails because their immune system wasn't strong enough. Or a really old person dies just because his body is shutting down, because our organs aren't meant to last forever. Even if he was healthy and never made bad choices, old age takes its toll.

Having more money, being popular, being amazing have nothing to do with the NATURAL cycle of life. You can't pin your life's worth on what you want. If I died right now you might say 'so what, you did nothing.' but changing ONE life is doing something that's worth it. donating money to some charity ONCE might save a starving family. Those people can change someone else. People always leave a mark on this world. You're saying Gregor Mendel, the man who studied genetics through pea plants, or Albert Einstein the brilliant German scientist of relativity, or President Kennedy did nothing and left no mark because they died. You don't have to be famous, though, to leave a mark. Though MJ was, and I know he changed a lot of people, for better or worse. to say people who die fail or that they leave no mark is blind ignorance of reality.

Well I threw in my two cents. So thar you go.

 

As you already have seen, I am a survivalist. The blind ignorance of reality is to support the fact that its a good thing to impact upon others, when there is no obvious benefit to yourself. Yes people will always leave a mark on this world, that indeed they will. But I think your taking what I said out of context, as I meant it in a purely survivalist fashion. He and all the other people you mentioned made great leaps and bounds to fulfill their own causes and in the process unwittingly did something good. But by dieing it proved to all of us that they were another failure of nature.

Life is not meant for death, why it is the exact opposite. Take for example the philosophy of Evolution, mutations occur in the DNA of certain offspring that either give them good physical changes or bad ones. As the creatures who fight and succeed in survival the reproduce and will ultimately form a new or modified species that is now superior than the last. Life is not meant to be finite, weak, or helpless. It is meant to be strong, and the strong will always prevail over the weak. I agree time is a hard foe to beat as it seems that we have to all will eventually shrivel up and fall over, dead. And indeed this will happen to all of us. Humans by Nature's designs are extremely social in character and find strength in numbers and ingenuity. This is why humanity [that being all of the human race as a whole] is superior to all other races on this Earth, have built civilizations, created technology and advanced it to support their needs. However there will always be the odd ones, the mutants who will either be superior or inferior to the norm. Such as the leaders of humanity, they fought their way to the top for their own personal purposes wither they be to help others or to be selfish it was still for themselves. Maybe to feel better, the human mind creates massive, wild, fantastical, and hilarious fantasies to make one not feel so small in a world surrounded by failure and success.

Life is not meant to end, it is meant to continue and strive for the one thing we call "perfection" or "equilibrium". Life in many ways is fragile, but in others is not and should not be dismissed. I will admit MJ was a man of massive talent, and to balance it out he had a less than amazing character. However that is my own personal opinion and by human nature many will disagree with me. I fight for a future where there will be no ignorance and everyone to become immortal (in a sense as that objective is nearly impossible) because humanity is the one thing I support as a whole.

 

Maybe once nature finds the perfect form for us, aging and death (for recycling genes) won't be needed anymore. You know it's not going to happen this generation though.
Your stand is rather sad if you ask Meee, you just know you're a failure by your own standards

 

The nature of living is dying, hence if anything they were a success in proving nature runs its natural course. Check any scientific book you want. It's part of nature's very law to live and die. So, you're incorrect.

that's the stupidest thing i EVER heard. You're sooooo far off, i can't even begin with you. Life is meant for survival of the fittest, but tell me, what use is a world where NOTHING DIES. Life's cycle is predator and prey. It's not just about creating some species that will never die. It's about the balance of a fine line. Prey ALWAYS needs to exist or predators will die out. And grass will always need to exist because without it prey dies. If it was just herbavors they'd overtake all the plants and starve themselves out. If it was jsut predators there'd be nothing to eat and they'd die. that's basic understanding of life.

that's called a Utopian vision and it's impossible. It cannot and will not happen because genetics, because the balance of predator, prey, and vegetation always needs to be in place.Thus no creature can get too 'perfect' lest it upsets the balance.

Back to the original topic, though, one can be a great person of influence and have a great personality. Look at Princess Diana, for the love of the God you don't believe in. People can be good and still impact and contribute to society. which doesn't matter anyway according to you. Anyway, I don't believe he was the greatest of character. He had a lot of problems as a child such as an early famedom, which is the reason, some say, that he remained more childlike and got the surgeries, because his lost childhood which changed his mentality and thinking. No one can live forever, in this current state. But, MJ's music will be sure to impact a number of people. and if it does stick around to your 'immortal people' then i guss you can't say his life was a waste and a failure.

 

Darth Bane you have some pretty "interesting" beliefs to say the least, and means you must also believe you are a failure as well because I highly doubt we will reach any form of immortality in our life time and according to you that means you fail.

Also, who are you to say life is never meant to end and suppose to be perfect? You some kind of Darwinist, human transcendent or something? A child like yourself has no right to make such claims and I think you should take a look at just what exactly you are saying and deciding to believe in concern for your mental health.

This topic is suppose to be about remembering Michael Jackson and how he contributed to society. Yea maybe he had problems, he was strange, etc but he was still a person and still had an impact on the world regardless.

 

Indeed MJ did impact a lot of people. But I didn't mean Immortal, as that is nearly impossible. It seams your only reading the lines and not whats in between them.I meant for humanity to nearly achieve this through nanotechnology. Lets take a look at the past 100 years. We went from basically a low level of technology to a huge world wide connection and constant development. And do you think its just going to stop? No it won't because a train is really hard to stop when its going as fast as it is now. I think in the next century we will make advancements in technology a thousand times faster than the last century.

If I remember correctly every two or so years the memory capabilities of computers doubles. Lets say I had 1bg of memory and this was the largest memory any computer has. And 50 years later I will have 33,554,432gb of memory.Accept now we take 1gb and put that as 192gb (it costs somewhere around 230,000 US dollars and I am just talking about the stuff available to the public) and take that 50 years in the future, 6,442,450,944gb of memory is what I would have available to anyone in the public (most likely in tiny appliances around your house such as a refrigerator or anything else you can imagine). Yes I know you can do math but I wanted to do it for you, isn't that nice of me? Anyways what I am trying to say is that I think by then they would have made nanobots that will aimlessly move inside you, maintaining all your organs and DNA. Meaning you would not die of old age really.

Im not some crazy ***** who thinks of some idiotic "immortal race" but seriously all you have to do is use the technology we have and will create to maintain our bodies for an indefinite amount of time. But I doubt many religious people would want this because they want to go to heaven.

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I'm 27 now do some damn research before you say anything else. Also my mental health is perfectly fine, I live a normal life. I got a girlfriend (whom I live with), a steady job, I make money and I have a 2 bedroom home. That may not be a huge deal to some of you but surprise surprise! I am a perfectly functioning female adult in the American Society. And that means I have every right to make such claims.

EDIT2: And your right about getting off-topic. So lets move on to how much Michael Jackson did and or didn't make an impact on peoples live. How his life was. And if these impacts (or the lack of there-of to some people, not me) were good or bad.

 

actually that growth will stop around 2015 or something like that

also, immortality could be reached in this lifetime, all we need is a retrovirus that only adds telomore to DNA and not RNA
i am not saying it would be a good idea though

 

Moore's Law (that's what it's called) was written in 1965 and forbade any type of differential styles of memory, such as cloud computing or quantum computing. It's expected to be valid for a little less than a decade granted we still have the microprocessing tech we use today. If we move to anything else, that law becomes invalid.

Off topic, but just being a nerd, so.

 

Oh my God, everytime I come into this forum I am always reminded how many people on this forum look too much into philosophy and quantum science

 

Quantum mechanics are friggin' awesome dude.

 

Indeed, now lets get back on-topic. MJ lived a full life and I think he died a little short of his 'time' but yea. He had it all and could have had more if but lifted his hand to reach to greater heights. Hell he could have bought a whole country with all his wealth (and by a country I mean a 3rd world country like Puerto Rico) and still had money left over to live any man or woman can dream of(not to mention that new country of yours, seeing as not that many people have one).

 

he didn't have it 'all'. From a young age he was a star and a center of much. Experts and even his family agree he had a hard time because people liked him the best and it was clear he stood out. He also was under a lot of stress from a very young age to perform and always look his best. His family, and close friends, agree it took a toll on him. and because he was more of an intraverted personality, he didn't really talk much about it, preferred to sit alone after shows when he was in the Jackson five. As time went on and he made his first single as a teenager, the pressure got worse. He loved to perform but the pressures of being a star are great. I can't say it from experience, but a lot of stars say that. As Adam Gontier from three days grace described it, it's like being alone in a sea of people who pretend to know and understand who you are.

Just a few years in fame does a lot to people, it's no wonder it took its toll on Michael. And, why buy a country? He wasn't that kind of person, and the amount of money you have doesn't determine women you get. I won't lie MJ could have gotten thousands of women he wanted, but money doesn't buy happiness. I know what you're saying money wise, but i still feel that personally wise he was a more lonely sort of man, even with all the social events and shows and concerts he went to/performed at.

 

Lawl, now some believe he faked his death:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related

Check out 1:36.

It looks like he is turning around. Or so people say.

 

LOL... we're argue about Immortality and Death? Funny :laugh:

As for Michael, I grew up listening to him and I will not burn my precious Dangerous CD. I think I might frame it and put it into my personal Hall of Fame. Rest in Peace Mikaeel Jackson as we Muslim call him.

As to celebrate his music.. *Put "You are not Alone Club Mix"* *dance... Doing the Tecktonic*