a zergs desire~

What about in regular starcraft where you dont have lurkers?

 

valkyries arent as anti-air as you think
even if they dont freeze. even if you can afford them
you'll most likely be dead before you even get a starport

 

I don't recall ever dying before getting a starport unless it was when i first started playing.

 

I don't play non-BW expo SC. Never did. I started straight on BW, i don't regard the two as separate games.

And vs Zerg it isn't good to go too goliath heavy. Timing wise, they won't save you from muta harassment. You don't even really need them unless you know guardians are on the scene, but even then you can manage without them depending on how you play. But it's good to get a few for support, just a few though.

 

I use them for tank support. They kill whatever gets by my tanks and gets too close. I move up, siege, hold, move up, siege, hold... etc... until they are dead.

 

Good to have a few around, but M&M with a few bats generally make better tank support against Zerg. Goliath is just as useless against darkswarm, and when shots are actually going in, M+M do better damage.

But Terran really just have to have everything out there.

 

Been reading through this thread. Methinks Zeratul11 doesn't quite grasp what you are trying to explain, Remy. As a recently self-educated by means of YouTube Starleague Zerg Player, I'd like to clarify some things.

What Remy means with Mutas, Zeratul11, doesn't mean mass them, move in and kill. No, one trying that strategy will either get A. Massacred by a Rush or B. Scouted on and counteted most severely.
My muta strat basically goes like this:
At 12 supply my 2nd Hatch (usually at Nat. Expansion).
Extractor right after, but maintaining 12 supply. Pump 3 drones on it when it's finished.
Spawning pool, maintaining 12 supply.
Now when your drones have 100 gas you should be able to make a lair.
Also, once the S.P. is finished, start making lings.
Make a Spire when the Lair is finished, and when this is complete pump Mutas.
All the while you should be harassing and scouting with lings.

Now what oen does with Mutas (at least in my case) is not a frontal attack, no no, but once you have 7 Mutas, bunch em up, assign them a hotkey and hit-and-run on the drones/SCV/probes. 7 Mutas should gaurantee a 1 hit kill (if every mutas hits once, which is why you need to bunch mutas). Never engage M&M, Marines in greater numbers than 3, Hydras in greater numbers than 2, Never engage Goons... Unless you are supporting your ground troops. Otherwise it is wasting your Mutas.
Move in with Hydras or Lings as you cripple his economy.

Hope you understand/Hope I helped.

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On the subject of Terrans, I agree with Remy. Goliaths really only are usefull when you need protection against heavy Muta or dropping. M&M&F is superior against Ling/Hydra, especially once Defilers come in to play. Once D.S. is being spread, it's Vessel time!

 

Well put Piretes, nicely done.  Seems like I'm finally starting to see people who knows how to use mutas.  Zerg starts to get extremely attractive once one learns to use everything properly.

I kinda have a feeling I would've had to do a write up myself later on if you hadn't lol.  No offense to you in anyway whatsoever Zeratul11 buddy pal.

I love the sound of "it's vessel time!"  It sounds very Power Rangerish, but in a good way.  Vessels rock so hard, they're the one thing that's always tempting me to jump ship to Terran.  Infested science vessel?  Please Blizzard, pretty please?  LOL yea right.

 

ofcourse i know what remy meant. mass mutas, but you still need to strategies and not just attack all of them in one spot or just rush them right away. i know that, im no noob. but i don't really have good styles playing the zerg (except lurkers cheap shots on enemy miners), all i do is attack build attack again. thats why zerg is my least fave. :-X

anyway your post was about the strategy and tactics part of using mutas, hydra and lings. and thats the next advice i needed. ok ok, harras peons using mutualisks (7 or more), dont fight any m&m and let hydralisk and lings deal with them as the mutas cripple their economy. first strategy i've learned for the zerg. ok im going to try it. so many thanks to you piretes owerup:

 

Glad to help Zeratul, I was just assuming you were in the same state strategy-wise as me a month ago.. .
Thanks for your appreciation Remy, and I've had the Terran nostalgia/envy too.. Nukes, Vessels, BC.. All lovely things... But when it's crunch time, my Terran skills are vastly lacking.

 

yay go the guy who reads the book without experimental practises wooo!!!!! experts > streetsmart
zeratul11 refer to my note

 

Ah well I was playing StarCraft where I have no medics and marines die quite a bit faster. So I use goliaths because they can take more punishment plus I can repair them. Generally have 2 SCVs there just repairing units.

 

YES!!!!! how the hell do terrans do anything in the original without medics honestly....

 

ok. thanks.

 

the marines and bats could just walk into battle and die a certain death?

 

Yep. And you relied much more on goliaths.

Guy who just builds marines to defend their tanks from air in original starcraft: "Oh come on... god dammit not another one... fuck fuck fuck fuck... okay i quit"
Guy who builds goliaths to defend their tanks from air in the original starcraft: "Haha die fuckers -repair- take that bitch -repair- owned mother fucker"

 

amen to that

 

That is definitely goliath's biggest merit, that they don't go up like microwave popcorn when lurkers are around. But then you also don't see lurks in the original. I really don't know how things are in the original, never played it.

 

What the Zerg needs is a replacement for Sunkens. MAN, i just wanna get rid of them.

 

What's wrong with sunkens? Nice damage, nice side effect (more room for your tech), regens health..and it's unique. I love Sunkens. And guys, when qouting, please delete everything but the part your reply is relevant to..