Your Reason for ranks? and why they are lame

Ok.. as you can all see, ranks have been added to the site. Congrats to everyone who wanted them.

First off::: was there a real reason for the ranks? I bet 90% of the people askin for the ranks already had high enuff access to ban.. without probably bein in the clan for more then 2 weeks. Shadows idiology of "free rain" is super rare and in the same sense doesnt bring headache and pretty much any E has access to do shizz they shouldnt according to rank.

Second off::: People will now nag about how its there time to move up. And people who dont nag will come out in a blue moon and say how they havent said anything but they should be this rank techniqually.. Do you understand the headache this leaves for our leaders? Its actually really lame.

Third off::: Rank gives people the sense of superiority over other members and it even gets to the point of /////\\\\\\ Im a higher rank then you so you better stfu b4 i ban your ass /////\\\\\\\ This is inevitable as the clan grows. Bottom line is people are imature and greedy and it really shouldnt matter what rank you are... everyone is just as important and ALREADY has access! God..

Fourth::: You'll always get those few idle members who becomes high rank and then become idle for ages.. Trust me when that happens itll piss you off and there wont be **** you can do kid.

This was one of the first things i noticed in E and i could already tell it was a level above so many cliche clans out there that dont last a year.. or even 2. Not with the amount of members that we have atleast. Ranks are the tool that bleed a clan dry slowly. Considering E isnt invite only and pretty open to Any greedy kid who walks in the channel.. i see randoms everyday and pretty soon they will want rank and begin conflict. Shadow knows it.. apparently 2can knows it.. Unseen knows it.. and I know it.
I feel if we do have rank. It should be self apointed and very limited.. Basicly how E had it to begin.

The point of this post isnt to bash ranks in general.. if they make you a happier member then obviously they do hold alittle good. But at what cost? I would like to hear everybody who wanted ranks to post here saying why
1. What do ranks bring to a clan?
2. Why are ranks important?
3. Did they feel a NEED for ranks in E and if so why?
4. Also what was your personal goal to bring ranks into E?

If you wanted rank and you cant reply to this post i feel like your 12 cents are worthless in E and should remain on the sidelines untill who have heart to better then clan your in.

Sorry if i come off harsh, strong, whatever// I've grown to love E and its members. And i dont care what anyone says.. we can out chatcraft any clan on Bnet USEast atm!
*edit* this is off my head and its 2am so i might have left some out or not came off how i wanted but im only human so.. blah w/e

 

I as the leader of Empire, and the founder have seen time and time again the results of ranks. I would like to share a success story and a failure story.

Success Story.
When i created the Chain of Command along with ranks back in Op opEmpire, it worked fantasticaly, the clan grew to large amounts and the people with ranks were actually doing the things that needed to be done. When we moved to another channel, the clan got better and people kept working hard for ranks. It was a flawless system

Failure Story.
in Clan xEmp, before clan Emp and before 07, the clan was run with ranks. And even before the clan channel back in Op opEmpire. You have people bugging the hell out of others for higher ranks and causing Huge disagreements and even bigger problems. People who were due for rank and got it, ended up abusing access, even people on the chain of command would abuse access and ban the most skilled members. Ranks led to disaster and headaches and drama.

My stand on ranks...

As the Founder and leader, i say ranks are good and if the members want them, they should get them.

As a member and one of few people who seen the empire grow and die and grow again...
I say ranks are bad for the reasons I.Tink has listed. I also agree that from personal experience, it only leads a clan to destruction. We were fine without the ranks, i think we could live without them.

 

I'm still not on the member list and I don't have a rank, heh.

 

We will be updating the list soon

 

Talking about ranks.... well if i remember right i think i was the who made Clan xEmp a Idell clan to a Gaming clan and recruited 2can also cowonfire to clan Empire im Proud of them what they done for the clan as for me some thing happen to me and not been there for the clan waill its at the top with members..... then shadow want me to help him with the ranking and send it to him.. well i did it but "Life Jumps in and Slap my face" so that why i havent been there at that time sorry shadow T.T i been in Vietnam geting marry and stay there abour 2-3 month befor that i was working my ass off to get the money for the marrage and when i came back clan EMp Was in good shap and i came back to suppot them agine .. i To use to be a clan Leader / Founder / for meny years and made meny meny meny clans and have it seseffull and haveing it dieing due to Back stab flooding hacking.... i been there done that then my last clan that i remade was clan Dro it die by Flooding and my close Friend Korn .... he Back stabed me we been friend about 1-2 years Befor that it was clan uF it Was Very very Seccesfull when i Dark_NIght[E]/[UF] and FireDragon[E]/[UF] made it together at the first week we have about 15+ members. I was the one who Mass Recruited and fireDragon also help recruiting but he most did was site forms and runing the clan. Then FIreDragon got hacked and wasnt on to help me run the clan and "Wildcat[uF] aka Vulture[uF]" at first wildcat was ban from clan uF by fighting and abuseing clan ruels cuz he was in the high rank thinking he runs the clan only him self and say the founder me and firdragon do nothing he was only a Co - COmmander never a FOunder at first place... so we baned him for that resion.. then when firedragon wasnt here wildcat help the flooder kill clan uF and remade and tricking me to help him remake it to use me because of my mass recruiting skill.. afther that Wildcat took CLan Chieff and get member to take **** to me makeing me see like im trash he also hack my aim Delt my myspace and my hotmail....... and then he baned me out from clan like im like a peace of **** when i work so hard helping remake clan uF...... well thats in the pass now im helping Shadow. he was the one clan uF was made he helped me and firedragon make the clan .thats i think the time when i know shadow. TO me i think if the people doing there job and dont being an ass hole kicking people just for fun.... the clan ranking will be good the only thing that is DONT BE greedy and wait for it .say like the ranking is a job u applying for it and u need to show your resume if the High Ranks like it and you show them the first day your doing your job the company makes money and you make money we all happy.. and if u in the company long enuf and work hard u might get a promotion ^.^ life is not fear i know.... im 20 :\ im poor lol with a wife .... well i dont really care about the ranks as long i help the clan out and runing good. i think with the experience with member in clan i think clan Empire will be grate more better than "" old uF "" LONG LIVE EMPIRE with Sexy PEPs :S

 

Yes, ranks just give order in my opnion and SOME kind of organization then just base don acc. that is all, no need to write a long essay lol

 

I feel as if I've kind of turned this more into a gaming clan to be honest Dark_Night, or maybe it was just the timing, but it seems that when I joined and started gaming low-money, people were interested and gained more of a drive to start playing low-money...

 

i so dont feel like reading all of this

 

LMFAO XD lol i feel i would be cool wrighting alll that like tink lol Hmm well Nster ^.^ im talking about when the time clan channel clan Xemp not Clan Channel Clan Emp ^.^:twitcy:

 

If the Leaders are active, then there really isn't a need in ranks. As long as the leaders are able to give out all the help that is asked, then I guess any clan would be ok without ranks.

 

Welll

To be honest... The way the ranking system is set up....Is actually a good idea... AND TRUST ME.. IVE SEEN CLANS FALL APART BECAUSE OF RANKS...However this ranking system is granted a higher level of ranking by time spent in the clan... THAT MEANS NOBODY CAN ***** OR GRIPE OR WINE OR COMPLAIN ABOUT I WANT A ****ING PROMOTION!!!!!!!!! Im all for them shadow and I will support them 100%.. Hopefully we could grow to a huge clan one day with multiple channels and leaders... ANd win money on iccup of course Anyways... To me its a fool proof system... ANd it really is.. TInk your my homie.. But you took it a little over the edge there.. And if someone is abusing power.. then they can just get tha **** out of EMP cuz they arent wanted..

 

Dark Night
"TO me i think if the people doing there job and dont being an ass hole kicking people just for fun.... the clan ranking will be good the only thing that is DONT BE greedy and wait for it .say like the ranking is a job u applying for it and u need to show your resume if the High Ranks like it and you show them the first day your doing your job the company makes money and you make money we all happy.. and if u in the company long enuf and work hard u might get a promotion"

Thats the problem. In theory it sounds like a good idea.. but the fact is that people are Greedy in nature and it cannot be avoided, if you think it can be avoided i feel like that is a naive way to go about it. I also dont feel like just because you have been in a clan a long time you should be regarded 'automaticly' as higher up in rank or standards. You said yourself that you turned E from idle into Gamming... so are you saying those who were idle deserve to have power over someone who moves the clan in a possitive manner just because they were there first? No.
Can2
"Yes, ranks just give order in my opnion and SOME kind of organization then just base don acc. that is all, no need to write a long essay lol"
it may give order to the clan.. and it is easier to keep track of who should have or be denied access or whatever. But is there really a NEED for them? thats a real issue here.. why try and fix something that isnt broken? I feel like shadow knew this and is why he has avoided ranks. The clan is rolling fine.. we ban assholes, kick randoms and stop floods. We stay orgranized and talk to eachother.. why is there a need to move in the direction of ranks? I feel it is a bad move.

I feel the member roster should stay how it was. shadow 2can meth ect on top and then a long list of our members below if you want i can come up with fun brackets but not in the sense of rank. blah w.e.. not alot have replied....

 

See exactly what I mean, and the only reason the old ranking system failed was b/c shadow left, and the leaders could't keep it up, so exactly why we bringing it back. as all clans have their downfalls, but we stil make it, so this is just a phase, so if it doesn't work out we kno what to do

 

well if thats how everyone feels? Just because you feel like it didnt work with E was because shadow left, doesnt mean what i've stated or seen is false. I've seen it in just about every clan i've come across that had more then 25 members. I dunno, i just dont want to end up goin to another clan because E becomes dead for whatever reason. If you think you can make the rank system work... then by all means. If its going to happen its going to happen.. and it is what it is.. i was just hopen you were all aware before headin into the clouds if you catch what im sayin

I might not be the best Gammer.. but i all that time i didnt spend gamming was spent loading bots, going from clans to clans maken friends.. and warring. chatcraft was all i did.. and even tho i dont game alot now... its the most ive ever done and in 97 i had alot more free time on my hands if you know what i mean.

 

in my previous involvement in empire i notice that ranks help to organize and keep the weaker players in the clan where they should be but i to noticed that many of the officers were corrupted and gave there friends special treatment. ranks can help but the officers who are aloud to change or increase the rank of another player need to be monitored. very closely

 

Well, all these are just arguements.

But the bottom line.
If the clan goes bad due to ranks, they will be removed as fast as possible and re-instate a rankless clan. The 7 Rules of E were made specifically to disregard rank, cuase every member, who bare the [E] tag, should have been honored, and those who had the access, could ban people who werent in clan or who were breaking a rule. Every member was equal, didnt matter what melee skill they had or w/e. That is why those rules worked.

If the ranks work, they work, if they are dragging the clan, they will be removed.

Like i said, I as a leader have to be fair and give the member what they want, but if the ranks give me enough reason to do away with them, then that will be up to the leaders and I.

 

hehe we i didnt look at it as us argueing. Just constructive talking... you cant joke around like the norm on a serious topic such as this.
i am confident that all will go well. We just cant become careless.

 

This thread ranks.

 

5 star...

 

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