Whos comments are more worthy of being listened to by blizzard? READ FIRST

Alright, read before voting. There are two types of players that the game is supposed to be aimed at:
One of them is the multiplayer people, those that have been active since the game was released, or at least are good multiplayer gamers nowdays because they play a lot and take things seriously (things that shouldnt be taken seriously, by the way). Many idiots I know would call them or think about them as "koreans" but im the kind of people who thinks that sucking a whole nation's apparatus is denigrating ourselves and our race.

The second group is a much more massive yet unexperienced section of the gamers. This is the kind of godless bastards that can be seen in the battlenet forum pretending they know so much but still belive vultures are useless cos they have only played the campaigns. They think they own the truth just because they know the lore, but have played like one or two multiplayer games, in which they lost, and rather prefer to stick to fastest game maps and massing carriers and battlecrusiers. Go to the battlenet forums to learn about them first hand. The kind of idiots that celebrate being first-posters in the topics made by the staff and say nothing worthy at all.

The problem here is that one of these groups is the one that its going to make the game a much more competitive and heated RTS game, the second one is just going to buy the game to beat the campaigns and play some use map setting games, then throw it away. The first group wants units like thors, planetary fortresses or motherships axed or twaked down, the second one gets wet with them... Of course thise are the one thats gonna make the company rich.

Which group should be listened to? Dont say that both of them must be listened to, since the opinions of one of them tend to make aside what the others want. You must vote: whos more worthy of being heard?

 

Lemmy, the reason why Starcraft, and to a greater extent, Warcraft 3, are alive is because of the UMS maps.
^-- my opinion

Now, in all honosty, I don't care which group they listen to as long as the game is freakin awsome.

 

The good ones because I dont want everyone listening to people that dont know even how to play it.

 

good gamers. casual gamers suck and don't know what they're talking about and they're dumb. and they smell.

 

Starcraft is only alive today because of the first group, and casual gamers will adopt anything Blizzard throw at them anyway so they're mostly irrelevant.

 

Everyones comments are "worthy" of being listened to.

 

Yeah hes right.


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The question is which group is more worthy of being listened to. Too many casual gamers are unconcerned with balancing or the elements that actually made Starcraft such a success, and considering their comments of equal worth to that of the more serious gamers would not be a wise choice by Blizzard, unless of course their input is worthy of consideration in itself.

 

Although all comments except spam are worthy, the most valuable are those of the experienced players who know the game inside and out. Their comments usually have to do with gameplay, balancing,etc., while noobs usually talk about less important things, like graphics.

 

Hahaha you are a man that has not been to the battle.net forums. When I said that, I meant it.

I consider myself to be a mix of the 2 categories. I used to be a compulsive UMS player untill my friends got me into the real heated spicy competitive massacre of 2v2 and 1v1 in maps like LT and luna. Thats where the real fun was all this years.

However, it has to be noted than casual players want to see more "fun" elements in the game that can mess up with the hard competitive multiplayer gaming. By this I mean things like wanting to have the mothership black hole ability kept the way it was originally seen in the gameplay video, or to see zerg superunits. Things like extreme lasers and crap that can end up spoiling the game in old school multiplayer, but making campaigns and fastest maps more "fun" Thats the reason I think that both of them cannot be mixed to obtain a balanced result.

 

I've been there. It's pretty bad. Most the comments are either: Yay, first post! or Damn, you beat me to it!

 

I absolutely agree. You are making a generalization when you say that all casual gamers go to the Battle.Net forums and make worthless posts, and believe they know the truth about StarCraft. I, for one, certainly did not go to the Battle.Net forums when I was a casual StarCraft gamer. SOME of them do, but I didn't, and I don't think of my self as a worthless spammer either. I am much more into StarCraft now, but I still consider myself mainly in the casual-gamer category. Does this mean that my comments aren't worth listening to? Well you obviously don't, since you are still reading. The point is, I am an exception. You cant give a set of characteristics to a certain group of people (I don't smell, Paragon) and expect to always be right. I would be lying if I said that all Koreans were good at StarCraft, and I would be lying if I said that everyone on this forum respects how much Blizzard's superiority depends on casual gamers.

So yes, everyone's comments are worth listening to, and the larger half of StarCraft gamers should not be ignored just because a few of them who go to the B.Net forums are worthless spammers who like UberUnits.

EDIT: How do you even know that the casual-gamers' posts "tend " to be beside the point? Did you take a survey?

 

They should listen good gamers.

 

I am sure Blizzard is smart enough to pick those people out and disregard them. Do not worry everyone, Blizzard will not mess this game up! Has blizzard failed us yet? No, and they will not do it with this game.

 

Blizzard's already "hired" some pro gamers to help test the game. So I'd imagine that they won't fail us. They have experience with spammers and noobs from WoW, so I think we could trust Blizzard.

 

you can't just put people into two well-defined categories Lemmy, because the world isn't that cut-and-dry

You shouldn't put such negative emphasis on casual gamers...why should a casual gamer be looked down upon because they enjoy the story, but either don't have time for, cannot, or do not wish to pursue a multiplayer career on battle.net, with the jillions of seasoned starcraft n00b-rapists? I never played multiplayer because I had no internet connection; last year I started playing with my friends in college and was looking to have fun quick, so I got into money maps. I've never micro-ed vultures to dance circles around and rape zealots. Why does that mean my voice should not be heard? How many of the developers or people who think up ideas for the game or story do you think have records of win-loss ratios higher than 5, if they play online at all?

There is a difference between being heard and being heeded. I think everyone should be heard, but I trust that only the people with good ideas, casual or good multiplayer gamers, will be heeded.

PS - just because of this:

I'm not going to vote. Take that. You too, P. Diddy. I didn't vote, and I didn't die.

 

Yea, Nikzad's gotta point there. I haven't quite voted yet either. Here was what happened, I started OFF thinking, well if I had to pick, I'd say it would lean more towards the hardcore pro gamers cuz THEY are what have truly sustained Starcraft for this long. It's the die hard fans who make it more or less eternal, and they will have more insight on the ins 'n outs of the game and can pay attention to a lot more detail than the "casual" gamer.

However, then I got to thinking, but wait a minute, where did these Starcraft pros come from? They didn't just spring out of the ground or "warped in" har har. They were all "casual" players to begin with, at least casual starcraft players. SOMETHING about Starcraft things grabbed their attention, made them love it more than other RTS's, and stick around long enough to become pro's.

My point being, while pro gamers might be able to offer some great insight towards mechanics, intricate details, and experienced advice, Starcraft needs to be appealing enough to any casual gamer in order to bring them in, and thus, even if Joe Schmoe goes "Well Gawd'dammit, I wants mah Vulture back, MAN I loved 'em Spider Mines!" We need to realize that there are many Joe Shmoe's out there who ultimately became the pro's that they may turn into because of simple affections like that.

So in conclusion, it's all about the quality of ideas, and whether they can be implemented, not from the source.

 

I dont put a negative emphasis on casual gamers. Actually we are all casual gamers and can have much more worthy opinions than many of the pros, the problem is that the part of the comunity that is louder and for that more audible is the vast majority that I described that floods the battle.net forums (the ideal place to post suggestions). If I meant US also, I would have said it. Instead I refered to that "newb" group of people.

Anyway I bet you that 70% of the casual gamers dont bother to get into forums to discuss crap, either.

Of course we all start as newbs, but npt everyone ends being one and liking what newbs like.

And archlimit, your conclusion is exactly what im trying to say that is not possible. Not anyone can be listened to, so one particular source must recive most of the attention, and its sure that that particular source has quite some different ideas than the other one. Thats the whole point of this topic, not if casual players are dumb or not. And finally, one of those sourses is a juicy market, the other one isnt that great to aim the producs at.

 

Okay I see your point. I guess I'm just not really convinced that any of us really knows how hard it is, and if even need be, to target one particular market or the other. And ALSO, I don't see these markets as mutually exclusive.

Progamers would more less bitch about mechanics, gameplay and what not. Casual gamers i would tend to think are more interested in graphics, dynamics, the "grabbers" if you will. What brings casual gamer in? Something they can be impressed with right away. What makes pro's pro's? Good gameplay mechanics and a good balance of races. How is it that Blizzard can't listen to both on equal terms?

I mean, I sincerely doubt the blizzard guy's goin "Man... what are gonna listen to today? Gameplay or graphics?" Also, you mentioned something about 70% of pro's not being on forums. I kind of... disagree. I think most of us here... are a actually pretty diehard SC fans. I mean, it's not just a "Pro game player" in terms of skill we're talking about here. We're also talking about diehard FANS. Some of us just LOVE the story, the characters, the whatever, and yet we're not casual gamers either. I myself have been playing SC for years and years, only stopping after college.

So I'm not too sure why there needs to be a segregation, and I'm certainly not sure that "not everyone" can be heard, when "everyone" in this discussion is really just a distinction of two separate groups. In the end I see opinions just tossed in from everywhere, and if any ideas stand out, they will stand out on their own. Pro gamers will appreciate a better looking siege tank just like a casual gamer will eventually realize that the UI is amazing and choose to play it more than anything else.

That's just my opinion.

 

I'm sorry, how is this not being negative towards casual gamers? The poll options are "good multiplayer gamers (the minority)" or "casual gamers (the majority)", and the first paragraph describes good multiplayer gamers, so I assumed that this one talks about casual gamers.