What would the Christian symbol be if Jesus was shot?

Now obviously he couldn't have been shot, but the question still stands. I think a lot of people forget that the crucifix is nothing but an ancient method of execution, so what if it was something else? If he was hung, would the symbol be a noose? If he was stabbed, would it be a dagger? If he was beheaded, would it be an executioner's axe? I'm asking because I reckon if it was something that's much more recognisable as a method of execution, like a noose, then it would not have been used, however, at the time, that's exactly what would have been thought of the cross.

What do you think?

 

It would be the same it always was
Fish

 

Back in Jesus's time, crucifixion was a pretty common method of execution, so I'd imagine it was recognizable as an execution method back then. That being said I can't ever see a gun or an axe being a symbol of Christ, mainly because they're weapons.

 

Actually, crucifiction is But good topic.

I can imagine having a noose as the symbol because two lines perpendicularly (and one diagonally) are abstract enough to avoid people automatically associating it with death. It'd also be simple to display, like the crucifix, so I could imagine a noose for the symbol.

If Jesus was stabbed then probably the fish as Meee said... a knife or javelin (IIRC that's what they cut him with on his side) would not be suitable as a symbol

 

@ Meee. That's a fair point. Where'd the fish originate anyway?

@ Wlck. That's what I'd said. What if he was hung or if it was done with a guillotine, had they been around back then, though? They're undeniably methods of execution, just like the crucifix, and aren't weapons, so do you reckon they could have been used as the symbol?

@ kuvasz. Crucifixion is the act of execution, the crucifix is the method.

I more meant the noose as in the noose knot, not the apparatus holding it, but it could still be done. Just a vertical line leading to a tear-shaped loop, so it'd still be simple to display. However the problem would be that it would still, nowadays, be linked with death or execution, which would appear the same as the crucifix appeared back then, so what would everyone think if that were so?

 

a bullet inscribed with a cross =O

 

Itza, not sure, you'd have to look it up

Kurai, why cross? We only have cross because that's how Jesus was killed, we're talking about a situation where cross wasn't involved at all

 

the fish originated, cause jezus name spelled in greek means fish

 

hmmm
that's true.

maybe just a bullet. like, a different type of bullet, prolly etched with whatever symbol we decided made it hply, since there would no doubt be some of those.

 

@ ijffdrie. I very much doubt that. Jesus is just the derivative Latin spelling of Joshua, so Jesus in Ancient Greek would also just be Ancient Greek for Joshua. Jesus isn't any special name or anything, it's just kept its original pronunciation.

 

yes, but translate the letters

 

drie is on to something here

 

I think it would be a pose before he died,to point out his suffering or last seconds of his life.
btw i dont think jesus is dead on a crosses we have,i think of that pose as last seconds of his life

 

@ ItzahexGor

Its because the Greek word for fish was Ichthys or something like that. When the Christians were in hiding during Roman persecution, they would use the image of the fish as a secret code. It's an acronym.

* Iota is the first letter of Iesous (Ἰησοῦς), Greek for Jesus.
* Chi is the first letter of Christos (Χριστóς), Greek for "anointed".
* Theta is the first letter of Theou (Θεοῦ), that means "of God", genitive case of Θεóς "God".
* Upsilon is the first letter of Huios (Υἱός), Greek for Son.
* Sigma is the first letter of Soter (Σωτήρ), Greek for Saviour.


SO the acronym would say "Jesus Christ, Son of God, our Saviour." Hence where Jesus fish comes from.

If the cross wasn't the symbol, we would stick with either the Jesus fish or the ancient Chi Rho sign, which is



Those were the first two letters in "Christos" in Greek. It was used by early Christians and eventually adapted to Christian Rome's symbol. It was the symbol that Constantine supposedly saw before his battle with Maxentius, where God said, "In this sign, conquer." Constantine then made all his soldiers write it on their shields. After he won the battle, he released the ban on Christianity and used that as his personal symbol. I personally think that's a cooler looking symbol than the cross...I say we petition to go back to that!

 

More religion... Huh?!?!
Well I'm an atheist... I'm biased... Yet, why is Jesus always represented by a cross? I mean, no offense but do people really want to see a naked guy nailed onto a cross on top of churches and around people's necks? As for the Jesus fish... It represents pisces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmzailhVl-U&feature=related

Yeah.. just look at that instead.

 

Idd, good ol'zeitgeist. There is a number 2 in the making btw.


There may indeed be small faults here and there but the main argument about religion in it still stands.

 

the fish symbol is based on astronomy, as is most of religion,its not based on a greek translation.

 

You know, everytime I try to explain something of historical fact to someone that involves Christianity or something, I always get people who come and say "Christian teaching, I automatically dismiss it as false." For example, when I talk about how Nero actively sought the persecution of the Christians and used them largely as a scapegoat for the fire of Rome, every time I get people telling me how I'm "brainwashed" by Christian teaching, completely disregarding the fact that that is historical fact.

I explained the whole thing of the Jesus fish already up top. The whole Pisces thing was a part of the symbology of it, considering the fact that Jesus was born during the age of Pisces, but it wasn't the entirety of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys

http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/fish/fish.html

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_symb.htm

There you go.

PS: I'm not trying to say people on this forum are disregarding my explanation, in fact, this forum is really good at not being bigoted at religion or atheism. I'm just really tired of getting responses of people disregarding me because I'm one of the few people apparently on forums who is neither atheist nor uber-Christian and doesn't take up the cause of either. I needed to vent.

 

if jesus died by a battlecruiser...jk

 

@itsmyship: i get what you mean. i'm uber catholic, but not the kind who's like 'OMGSINNERGOINGTOHELL' or 'JOINMYRELIGIONNAO' kinda stuff. There are facts, and what all people need to do is see that there are facts.

as you say, many atheists disregard things. i'm not saying atheists are narrow minded or ignorant, because i know quite a few really up to par atheists and agnostics, but it's what i've been seeing. many people my age and older merely becomme atheist not because they don't believe in God, but because they completely disregard Jesus even lives. it's a historical fact that jesus was born, and that he was persecuted and died on a cross. the real dispute is based off what he actually is.

so many people like to just think nope, he isn't real, and it does get very frustrating.
and, thanks for the fish bit, i never knew that :3