Upgrades for SC2 online

Discussion in 'General StarCraft 2 Discussion' started by Rex, Feb 21, 2008.

Upgrades for SC2 online

Discussion in 'General StarCraft 2 Discussion' started by Rex, Feb 21, 2008.

  1. Rex

    Rex New Member

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    What do you think should be upgraded for SC2 online, that will make it better then SC or BW online?

    I think the Friends lists should be bigger, and we should have ladder come back. The background for the screen selection should also be a bit Sci-fi, and you can pick what type of skin it is, and when I say skin it should be like a Zerg sort of theme or Terran, and default (Stuff like that). (Screen where it allows you to chat, Join other channels and etc.)

    I also think having more ranks for wins and stuff would also be awesome (Past limit of 5 star). To show both Ladder rank and Normal rank, if the icon is clicked on (Normal Rank) it would change to ladder rank to allow you to see what the other players ladder rank is, and when clicked again it goes back to normal.

    Name fonts should be picked by the user, if the user likes Zerg the users name would be in a Zergy type of font, if Terran it'll be a Terran/Sci-fi type of font. Users should also be allowed to pick unit Icon after wins, which means when they type and enter something a animated Icon the user has picked is right next to the users Name, same within games. These can be turned off.

    Ex. Zergling Animation Rex: Hi everyone.

    More commands should be added for convince too. I'd also like to see other peoples suggestions as well.
     
  2. Blackskies

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    Maybe battle.net and blizzard supported clan op bots. I hate the fact that u need to use third party programs. They should have a bot available to the public that was designed by blizzard. They are just too usefull to not use for clans.
     
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    My suggestions:
    -clan abbility that is much better then the WC3
    -bigger friend-list
    -Better auto-match then in WC3
    -Icon-system like in WC3
    -Big ladder with 1vs1 2vs2 3vs3 4vs4 Clan etc.
    -And layout like Rex said
    -Better community then WC3 :D :D :p
    -More to come (im to lazy right know)...
     
  4. Meee

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    definately better auto-match system
    The one in wc3 sucked
     
  5. furrer

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    Yeah but someone figured out why!
    It was not based on the level or the %, it was based on the last score...
    So if you just lost 3 games, you would play with or against an other who lost a game...
    Hope they will do a better job in SC2... I hate those noobs in 2vs2 who make a hero when my hero is lvl 6... or who goes fast bears (no archers or hun´s)...
     
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    so that's why...
    It should still take other things into consideration, matchups like two lvl 14s against two 4-6s were quite common when I last played
     
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    I know, im lvl 16 and i hate playing with lvl 1-5´s...
    But at the time the automatch was made it was pretty good (5 years ago)... but i think the one in SC2 willl be much better.
     
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    fix the stupid high latency problem.. coz when ever i try playin with my brother it always says that
     
  9. BloodHawk

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    I miss bots; haven't been in a clan in years.
    Clan |BC| RIP

    Just make bots that can't spam shit all the time. Maybe give them the ability to use preset "spam" messages set to a specific time counter. Messages would be sort of fill in the blank. "Clan name", "Clan Channel", "Website" as possible fields in a Blizzard legal spam message. Again, set to a clock , so it's not a constant barrage. Maybe only allow the feature in recruitment channels (general chat too?) to further prevent annoying shit. So yes, Blizzard made bots please.

    I always liked how in Diablo II your character was your avatar in chat. You could show your pimped out SOJ rich MFer for all to see in chat; cool shit. Love it.
    So how about customizable avatars for SC2? Ever play a game like Armored Core? It was a mech game where you could buy all sorts of customizable parts. Or even think of the WoW character builder. Except you can buy weapons/armor/decals/skins/wtf ever with points earned by winning games. Multiple models for each race as well.
    It's not the most practical or necessary feature ever, but I think it would be a cool way to add persona to your account/handle/clan.
     
  10. ShdwyTemplar

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    I think the ability to match up with players your skill range should be enabled. Such as

    For Example
    [Click Join]
    [Select Game Type]
    [Select Option]
    Option 1: Allows you to enter a match with opponents of equal skill determined by your rank with total win/loss/ties
    Option 2: Allows you to enter a match with opponents regardless of skill level.
    Option 3: Allows you to enter a match in progress as a spectator. When this option is chosen you can watch matches already in process.
    [list Appears]
    [Select Game]
    [Normal Babble about either Lag, Slots Open/Close, Game has Already Started... ect. or you join the game]
    Enjoy! Note the above would not apply to Custom Maps as it doesn't really matter on your skill level there.

    Also
    - implement a mailbox system. I wanna be able to leave messages for my friends so that when they get on they can see them.

    -implement a quick friend recall method to map. Say that you friend wants you to join a map he is already in. Send him an invite and he will automatically link to the map and join if he agrees to come and is able to join.

    -a system that if a person is hacking allows the other players to ban him. If he is banned the game then has the option to restart.

    -an area of joining the game where if a player leaves you can be back logged for that game. As in there are 8 slots in a match room. All of them are full. You can sign up on a list for that game. If one of the slots are opened then you are able to join that game. If you join another game and it starts your position in line will be forfieted. This area would be on a separate list as the games are already full.
     
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    About "list appears", i think that would make many problems (1000 games to appear!?!?)... and it could take some while before you would be able to play (because an other player has to choose you). I think most just want an improved WC3 auto-match system, and then just the normal custom-game option from WC3 too... perhaps some better Ladder systems, because I have problems finding a person to play AT with in Ladder. Like where you can go RT in Ladder.
    And the hacking system, how should that work? -that would require so many people sitting controlling those 10000games where people say there has been haxing, because you cant trust people anymore today. The ability would just allow people to restart a lost game.
     
  12. ced

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    Agree.. I'm sure it will do AMM (Automatic Match Making).

    Opt1 - Standard AMM
    Opt2 - Why!? .. what is this.. the Rape or be Raped option?
    Opt3 - Observer mode.. I like observing games. I just don't want to see it on Ladder games. It's to easy to get a friend to Obs or to double box it and Obs your own games. Especially when you Allow the players to pick the game they want to watch.

    I agree with Furrer. You can't allow the player to pick his opponent or always the same map. That allows ladder abuse play like, bottom feeding and win trading. Letting the AMM system handle the match-ups is the most fair way to do it. Yeah sure it sucked at match making, but at least it sucked for everybody.. so it was fair.

    LOVE IT!

    Great idea.. beats having the type in those often horrible messes of 1337 speak game names in the custom map area. I don't see any use for this option for AMM ladder play.

    Sounds horribly abusable... "Hey this guy is better than me.. oh I'm losing bad.. /ban". I guess that would end the game somehow. I don't get the "option to restart" part of your system.

    This sounds worse to me. I don't see something like this really working. This type of reserved seating will just lead to more slots ending up Open IMO.

    My take on the custom map fiasco is that Blizz needs to add a some sorting features... You can't just list a couple of hundred games and say "Go for it!". A sort by map name feature would be a huge step in eliminating a lot of the pregame down time in custom. So the TD, Micro map, DotA and BGH guys can quickly find each other. This will help keep games from getting lost in the shuffle of the current "lets list all the games" method which is just a huge mess.

    So this is what I want to see in the new built-in B.net client.
    • Better, Faster AMM
    • VoIP
    • Stats
    • Replays

    AMM.
    My thought on AMM are simple. AMM is the way to go. Blizz knows that we weren't happy with the War3 AMM system. It needs to be faster and it needs to find better match-ups. They know it, and I'm pretty confident that they will improve it. BUT I'm still listing it because it is SO important to the ladder play.

    VoIP.
    Not much to say here. Talking is faster than typing. Quality is an issue, since if you don't understand its of no use.

    Stats.
    I want to see game histories, average game time, per map win ratios... all the good stuff. What I don't want to see is my game minimizing, my non default browser fire up telling me there are important updates, asking if I want to make it my default browser, and all that kind of bull. FFS all i wanted was some more info on this awesome player. I appreciate having all the stats available via the web page.. but when I'm in-game I want to see it while remaining in-game.

    Replays.
    I want to see replays viewable via B.net. I want to be able to see a player's ladder game history, pick a match and load it up in a custom game as a "Replay" type match. Anybody who joins the game will also be watching the replay with you and you can discuss the game and so forth. Allowing players to see how better players play will undoubtedly lead to the quality of the average player being higher.[/list]
     
  13. ShdwyTemplar

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    Looking at the system I put up I see the flaws you guys point out. I also see a solution.

    For the AMM I think that the Ladder matches need a separate system than the one I described. I blame myself for the fault there as I play UMS far too much. So, with Ladder matches a few things should happen if my system were to work.
    1. There will be no observed play.
    2. There would be no choice in your fights. I.E. say for example what Bungie did you Halo 3. It did a system of skill/experience. The skill level determines the skill of your opponents and then you appear on one of the multiple maps and game type variations.
    3. Remove the idea of any banning in Ladder.
    4. No friend recall in Ladder.

    Now, onto the second problem with my system. The ban system. I explained this part of the overall system badly as what I forgot to make clear is that that battle.net server would first recognize the hacker. Then if a hacker was known it would (A. Log the IP of the hacker. and (B. Allow the players in the game with the hacker the option to ban him. This would only occur if B.net identified the hacker it would not always be active. Finally (C. If B.Net detects a hack in the game and cannot tell which player it is it will alert all players in that match.

    The third problem in my system is one I was a bit iffy on as I know just as well how quick the system can fill slots in UMS and other matches. I now consider the idea I posted above about reservations horrible. So, forget it.

    While I'm at it. Something I experience and would like added is a language filter. That way you can choose which language B.Net displays. This would actually allow people from across the world to interact if they felt so inclined. Plus, it would eliminate the "learn 2 speak" attitude of some people.
     
  14. notjim

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    EDIT: If this is tl;dr Ced's post covers most of it

    some of my revised ideas, combined with some of CED's corrections:

    Voice chat

    Battle.net needs to support voice chat. no matter what.

    anti cheating/hacking

    I'd love to hear some suggestions on this. im sure blizzard will do the best job possible, but i dont want to touch the ethical issues of the warden program.

    fix hosting games

    the most frustrating thing is when playing with your friends it seems no one is ever able to host. in starcraft you could all join the same game, and then leave and you would be able to play a game together (lat breaking). in warcraft 3 it always seems that your dumbass friends dont know how to configure their router to open whatever ports (6112-6118?) and you end up playing some crap like dota cause its easier. (and i cant mess with my router cause its university connection ) ... : (

    Game Client

    i think the game should default into a public channel or your specified channel at start.
    it should include the following features:

    Game Search (automated matchmaking)
    Join as team (arranged team)
    Replay Search (or observer search)
    Host UMS
    Browse UMS
    Tournament (ladder games)

    the game should incorporate ping and location information tools like ListChecker.

    Game speed should always be very fast by default.

    Game Search

    i think it is pretty much a given that there will be an AMM and match making service. this is definitely an improvement in most ways of the starcraft method of searching for a game yourself, in terms of wait time and getting a competitive game. however, i think the gamesearch should only put you in a lobby with other waiting players instead of straight into the game.

    CED has convinced me that arranged teams and random generated teams should be kept seperate.

    Join as Team

    this feature would search for /create for a game to join that with the number of members your team has. you could be matched against another arranged team players

    replay/observer search

    replays:
    players should be able to search a replay database from the client.

    observing:

    having a way to observe games in progress would be awesome, but i can think of no way to prevent cheating, either by having a friend observe or (again thanks to CED for pointing this one out... ) a lamer using two accounts to observe his own game. for this reason, ladder matches espescially cannot be observed in real time, but saving replays of ladder matches would be a huge plus.

    Maps

    In war 3 you can only play blizzard approved maps, and the map is random. in starcraft, pro games are all done on custom made maps. my first idea is that the players should be able to choose the map in the pre game lobby, but as CED pointed out the last thing you want to do is argue over the game or end up suckered into a money map.

    However i still think blizzard should keep the maps played narrowed down to whatever is the most popular at the time.

    Pre-game lobby

    instead of jumping into a game after finding players, as players are found for a game they should be dumped into a lobby, like starcraft's. this way, if someone is going to leave the game before it starts when they see there opponents ranking, they can do that without ruining the game. plus, it lets you talk with your teammates and maybe discuss some strategy before the game starts instead of watching some eye look back and forth.

    In the lobby the players will have the advantage of knowing how many players have been found so far, and will be able to know the plan before the game starts.

    if the idea of a pregame lobby is no good to you i think we can assume the little eye shifting back and forth (in starcraft i guess its not an eye of kilrogg anymore.. overmind mabe) will be able to give you some feedback instead of just blinking at you.

    Ranking

    i think
    like in warcraft 3, solo rank and team game rank should be kept seperate.
    i think arranged teams and clans could be ranked as a function of the ranks of their members, so you can know at a glance how good a team is even if it is the first game they've played together.


    and now a quote from ced:

    One of my irritations with War3 B.net was that most of the real juicy stats had to be viewed via web browser and that I didn't have access to all of it when I was in-game. I totally agree that all the stats should be available outside of the game... so you can check out stats and such from school or work ^_^... But the report on a player was way more detailed and informative vis the web page compared to what you got to see in-game. Also when I'm in the game, and i click on something, and have my game suddenly minimize, and browser launch ... I just get the feeling they didn't think it through, and that this is an attempt to jam in everything they forgot to put in the first place.
     
  15. Rex

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    Just thought of something new. Blizzard tech support channel links up to all servers, meaning if the Blizzard members are in there people in any server could talk to them. Ex. Schott is in Bliazard tech support (Blizz member), in Starcraft/broodwar you cannot see him unless you're logged in the west server, but Blizzard members in the Channel can be seen by any member on any server.

    Also allowing mor people in channels (More room for people, meaning over forty)
     
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    Normaly when Blizzard know the IP, they ban them!?!?
     
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    I have several ideas that would improve the quality of Battle.net.

    Filters for game creators and searchers to discriminate for only high quality connections. Filters to only show melee maps on Blizzard only maps (hate all those money maps and weird custom maps with infinite minerals!). Their should also be channels and options for sharing personal and professional replays from within Battle.net. as well as channels that will allow you to DIRECTLY dl custom maps, and new official maps (this would then make it mandatory too have pre-DLed the map, to free up bandwidth, and prevent people from using host games as a time consuming dl source while people make games). There would of course be auto-update features for Official Blizzard maps!!

    Also the option for voice support would be nice. Micromanagement and typing info to your partners in team games is too time consuming. Plus I really want to hear someones voice when I destroy their main base :).

    I agree with having Icons, but maybe have an even more advanced system for points, so you get more then just an icon. Like if you get a certain high score you can get new colors or *new skin maps for all units and buildings*. So a high ranked player has Zealots that have more bad-ass looking Psi-blades. ;p

    Anyways hope you liked my ideas!
     
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    I think that bnet should become like what massgate is for wic ;)
     
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    blizzard doesnt play around with that, they ban by cd key.
     
  20. furrer

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    In Warcraft they IP ban too! (or once did)