Units to be removed or revamped?

I'm going to list out the units in BW that were simply underused or overspecialized.
These units would most likely be removed or revamped simply because Blizzard stated they want every unit to be useful in their own way.

Valkyries - Heavily underused. I expect it to be removed
Ghost - Heavily specialized and underused. Will get a Revamp one way or the other
Firebat - Overspecialized. Reapers might replace Firebat
Vulture - None of the above. Useful unit but most likely to get a huge revamp or removed to become a new unit
Queen - Heavily underused .Removed or hugely revamped
Medic - None of the above. Backbone for Terran during BW days. But since the introduction to shields for the Marines, I am guessing Medic is most likely gone, and will be replaced by another infantry unit.
Devourer - None of the above, but I expect a revamp to another new unit
Infested Terran - Heavily underused, and overspecialized. Most likely replaced by the Banelings.
Guardian - None of the above. Useful unit, but I also expect a huge revamp.
Scout - Heavily underused . Probably replaced by the Warp Rays
Arbiter - None of the above, but most likely gone due to the introduction of the Phase Prisms
Dark Archon - Underused .Might see some revamp of abilities if Dark Templar isn't axed
Archon - Underused - Might also see some revamp.

That concludes my list. Basically, I'm guessing all these units listed above will be either removed or have a huge revamp of abilities.
Thoughts?

 

Hey, I used Archons!

But I agree with your whole list. You could tell which units should be removed and which ones to be revamped, so I'm proud of you.

Valkyries - I want them to be merged into the Batllcruiser so that it has a different air attack.
Ghost - They should have triple the damage they do, and not concussive but a more deadly damage type.
Firebat - Yes, give them jet-packs and a better damage type and they're cookin'!
Vulture - I hate them, and I hope that they are replaced by individual buildable and moveable mines.
Queen - I vote for the Queen to become an mutation of a Defiler so that they don't get their own building.
Medic - I love medics, Blizzard should not remove them. I shall protest!
Devourer - Total conversion into another unit. It's too... ...the way it is.
Infested Terran - Replaced by Blings, so no worries! ;D
Guardian - I'd prefer it if they didn't look like floating crabs, but otherwise they're ok.
Scout - Yes, Warp Rays indeed.
Arbiter - I liked them, but I'm curious about the Phase Prism's abilities so I'll let it go for now...
Dark Archon - I like them too. It's just plain fun to Mind Control a Battlecruiser while it's coming to attack...

 

Can't imagine Starcraft without Firebats!

 

I couldn't imagine Starcraft without Dragoons either when Blizzard announced it.
But hey, they made 2 Dragoon lookalike units for SC2 and they look soo much better than the Dragoons too.

Maybe Blizzard will do the same thing to the Firebats and make them have cooler abilities. Not to mention, look much better.

 

They aren't look-alikes if you're referring to the Immortals. The Immortal unit is just a Dragoon upgraded so it will last longer in combat because when Aiur was overrun, the Zerg infested the shrine where Dragoons where created using the cripped bodies of fallen warriors. Now the Immortals are limited story-wise.

In a B.Net game though I'm sure you can go nuts with 'em.

 

Good list, I agree with just about everything for the most part.

Zerg needs a better option than ultras, I mean, seriously. Even though they are late game tier 3 tech, if you take a step back and think about it, they are indeed one of the most overspecialized units. I like unit specialization, but if there is only one use for a unit, that's over doing it a bit.

Scourges on the other hand, although they too are very specialized and people often complain about their cost, but because of how many air units are in the game their use is broadened slightly. If they gave Zerg a better option it would be nice, but even if they decided to keep scourges just the same I wouldn't really complain personally. Can't say the same for some of the other Zerg users though.

I know there is no way for drone to be replaced but I wish they would just change its look. I've always hated that sting ray shaped body of theirs. Worst looking worker by far.

 

Meh, I always thought the SCV looked too awkward for any real work. I quite liked the look of the Drone, actually...
*shrug*
~Pix~

 

Wow, this is a real shocker to me.  Not even just you don't mind the look but that you actually like it.  I'm pretty stunned.  I don't mean to say any of this to mock you, please don't take offense.  It's just that I've never accepted the fact that realistically there was always a chance for someone out there to like the look of the drone.

I know drones are just workers and not really combat units, aren't supposed to be big, bad, mean, chew your head off, fighting guys.  But I mean come on, the drone looks like it's wearing a dress.  I see them as the pansy asses of the supposedly vicous Zerg.

Their look does have one merit though.  If most of your hatches are rallied to one point, you can easy spot the drones over other lings, hydras, or defilers.

 

Yeah, I bet that Blizzard will get rid off the SCV. I mean, seriously! Nobody ever uses them! They're probably the most useless unit in the entire game.

 

Sorry to break this to you but SCVs are already confirmed to be in the game(by demo and screen shots).

SCVs were by far the best workers.  They were the only workers with the ability to repair buildings, mechanical units, and other SCVs.  They were the toughest workers with a whopping 60 HP compared the 40 HP for drone and probe(20/20).  They also had the highest damage output out of all workers.  Hardly useless.

But if you were just kidding I'll play along.  Yea, give the SCV to Zerg!

 

Of course I was kidding. I'm not that much of a noob.

 

Over the past weeks i ahve thought about this, these are the conclusions.

THe reaper replaces both the firebat and the vulture.

the vulture was only really used for harrasing or spidermines,with the game empsasis now on rushing, it maeks sence for the reaper to replace the vulture, there both fast units, they are both good at harrasing it seems, in terms of infantary, they also replace the firebat, as a infantary unit, this leads me to believe that reapers will be abalible after building an academy as an early rush tatic.
I also think the sheild thing ties into this whole equation.


THis also means that there may be a new unit that has something like spidermines in the factory.

There is alot more but i dont have time right now.

 

I don't think that removing units that overspecialize is a good idea, because they always work great in certain tactics and they make sure people won't use the same tactic everytime.

 

Vultures really needs some work. apart from mines i don't really build them.
Valkyrie needs to have a ground attack
Arbiters need to move faster (gone anyway)
Corsairs need to be able to attack ground
High Templar should have an attack
Ultralisk can have just a little more attack power
Mutalisks can be more powerfut too

 

I kinda believe it to be the contrary.

When certain units are too specialized and pigeon holed down to one or two specific uses, it limits those units usefulness in all other situations. Then in the end, you'll just have a strict list of static strats to choose from. It won't be the same one every game, but it will be picked out from that same list of strats.

If the units are partially specialized, but still somewhat useful all around in other situations, it will allow more dynamic strats. People can be more creative in coming up different strats, because there is room for such creativity. You won't always have to use a particular unit one way or another, under clearly defined but highly limited rules.

 

i dont like the mutalisks purple wings, but they do flap well.

mostly i agree, but i think msot of these units will be gone, they have changed so many protoss units it seems like thats going to be the trend for the other races

Yes and it seems they are spreading out the roles of specalized units to possibly slightly weaker and cheaper units, that may be lower down the tech tree, and at the same time tie together roles that are similar ( the shuttle/ arbiters recall into the phase prism)
i think if you apply this same logic you can nearly predict the other races (overlords transport ability , nydus canals into nydus worms?)

maybe wrong maybe right, opinoiuns?

 

Valkyries - They kick ass, I used them a fair amount. would hate to be stuck w/just wraiths
Ghost - yeah, don't use them much
Firebat - good for filling bunkers when you expect zealots, that's about it
Vulture - after the spidermines are gone, they're just bodycount
Queen - great against terran, specifically siege tanks. keep em
Medic - agree w/both your points
Devourer - you could be right about revamp. again, great air unit, muta's suck
Infested Terran - agree
Guardian - agree
Scout - I don't use them much, but carriers are too slow by themselves, sometimes you want speed and a good punch
Arbiter - rarely use them; I think their overspecialized; wouldn't miss them
Dark Archon - agree
Archon - agree

my answers based on BW experience, not so much what's coming down the pike

FWIW

 

Mm, I'm not gonna go through the list, I'm just gonna go what's biggest to me.

The Valk needs to be changed to a bomber unit. I'm OK with whether or not it keeps the anti air, but cut it's speed and give it a short range, strong VS building attack.

 

The valkyrie was designed specially to counter mass mutalisk rushes. I remember a statement from Blizzard something along the lines of "Usually a terran player cannot do anything to counter mass mutalisk rush, they usually loses to them without having a specialized counter unit. Hence the Valkyrie was made to match the muta rushes"

So yeah apart apart from that the Valk is pretty much useless. Good to harrass overlords though

 

all I know is that with vultures gone, the terran better have some sort of mine =/

Its just soo terran to have mines!!!