There's a discussion on Battle.Net about who the final boss will be in Diablo3, the original poster suspecting Tyrael could be corrupted. Not a bad though in itself. He's been directly influenced by the Prime Evils and bore the full brunt of the destruction of the corrupted Worldstone. However, who's to say that he hasn't always been evil? Lets have a look at some of his past actions... Defied the Heavens to interfere with the Mortal Realm... Led to the creation of the Soulstones allowing Diablo to obtain a powerful host... Oversaw Baal's ordeal with Tal Rasha, who failed to contain him... Gave Baal's soulstone to Marius, who clearly didn't have the courage to venture into Hell, and who eventually returned the Soulstone to Baal himself... Izual, the fallen angel, was his lieutenant and shared all of Heavens secrets with the Evils... Destroyed the Worldstone allowing the Prime Evils to return... How's that for cumulative evidence? Personally I don't reckon he is, as if he was indeed evil then not only would the Mortal Realm not have a guardian but they'd be on their own against the Burning Hells and an Archangelic spy, which's just getting ridiculous. However, if you look bad over his past actions, that's six strikes against his name and Blizzard could easily pull a quick one on us. Thoughts?
Hmm...now that you mention it. I like Tyrael though, and I don't think he would be evil. Yes, just for the sole fact I love him. And if he was evil in the first place, why did he not out and kill you when you beat baal. but knowing blizz they'll corrupt him, which sucks. he was the only cool angel and the only one who didn't turn evil. that's what i want in d3. i want more contact with the angels. where he heck are all of them? they're just sitting and watching while the actual few that come down are either corrupt or fail at everything they do (no offence to tyrael intended) but mean, the prime evils have returned again, i think the angels should do something about now.
Tyreal being corrupted is popular idea. Ive came across many other forums who see this as D3. However, the fact that it's a popular idea, I doubt blizzard will make him evil, or at least the main boss. My bets would be... 1) He would be in the shadows so it seems he is corrupted (but is really planning something out to help people). 2) He is corrupted seeming he is the new Diablo, but then you save him thus unraveling a bigger plot. 3) He is a renegade angel. Not fallen into hells side, but abandoned his holy title for the further good of mankind. Why? Who knows. Perhaps he cares for humans more. Either way, Tyreal history is very unkown, there could be any explanation for why he did his actions.
I think Tyreal is good, and that he has done always what he thought was the best possible action at that time. He is like Tassadar if you think about it, defied his masters, sullies his rank and standing. All for the greater good. Sure he has made mistakes, but he isn't a god, he is only an angel.
Yeah, darkone raises a good point. He's done what he's considered to be the best possible action, only the Evil's have foiled him, by corrupting the Soulstones, releasing Baal, corrupting the Worldstone, etc, and others have betrayed or failed him time and time again, like what happened with Izual and Marius. If everything he'd done had always worked, then there wouldn't've ever have been a Diablo series because nothing would have ever gone wrong, haha. However, the cumulative evidence could be used as a powerful tool if Blizzard did in fact want to to be evil, and I can easily imagine a great speech where he reveals what he's done and how it all fell into plan, but as I said, if the Mortal Realm was up against all the Prime Evils and were being guided by an Archangelic spy... That's just getting ridiculous. But remember, the Heavens will tremble! I'd tremble too if my right hand man turned out to be evil!
If you were good, you'd tremble. If you were evil, you'd be glad that your right hand man was so. Just putting that out there. They could make him evil, but then why is heaven there at all? If they aren't helping, and have an evil agent making things worse, then what are they all doing up there? Having tea parties?
Haha, yeah. Well presumably the Heavens are good, so they would in fact tremble. If the Heavens aren't good... Then I really wouldn't like the be in the Mortal Realm. The Heavens have practically decided to not interfere with the Mortal Realm's affairs. I don't think it's so much as like conventional heavens and hells, just other realms really. The Heavens and the Burning Hells are waging war against each other, and the Burning Hells, just being evil, are corrupting the Mortal Realm as well, so it's not so much as the Heavens aren't good in my opinion, more that they aren't the defenders of the Mortal Realm and are not interfering with their affairs. Well, all except for Tyrael, regardless of his allegiance.
Well then it isn't heaven, it's more like the realm the ancients ascended to in the StarGate series, they aren't gods, their just beings in a higher plane of existence. And hell would just be a higher plane of existence too, with a malicious intent. So if they are waging war, and the hell side is corrupting the middle ground, then shouldn't the heaven side be more proactive in helping the mortal realms? I doubt they could win in a 2 vs 1 sort of deal. Aside from Tyreal helping, all heaven agents that have come down have been corrupted, so that makes one wonder what is going on up there.
Yeah, it's a another realm known as Heaven, just as the Burning Hells are another realm known as Hell. It's just not like our conventional heavens and hells like the Christian ones, etc, etc. The Diablo Hells aren't ruled by Satan or anything, they're ruled by the Prime Evils just as Heaven wouldn't necessarily have to be ruled by the god, just a god or even an Archangel, I'm not sure. Also, the Mortal Realm doesn't have to be a middle ground, it just has to be a third realm. Its corruption may not even concern the Heavens. All Angelic agents? So far as I know only Izual has been corrupted and just because Tyrael could potentially be evil it doesn't mean he's had to be corrupted. It could just be that he's always been evil. Also, Izual didn't interfere with the Mortal Realm's affairs, he just fell in a battle between the Heavens and the Hells, didn't he? And I'm also not so sure if Tyrael is the only one to interfere with the Mortal Realm. There could have been others, though I'm not sure.
You just argued my point. the mortal realm is a middle realm, not in the sense of it being in between the Heaven realm, and the Hell realm, but in a sense of alignment, it is in between. Again you argue my point, if Tyrael was always evil, then what is going on up there? Izual makes up all Heaven agents except for Tyrael. If there are others, then they will be revealed in this game.
Well alignment is more just perspective. I'da just thought of them as just another realm. Heaven's inhabited by Archangels and other angels, the Burning Hells are inhabited by the Prime Evils and other demons and the Mortal Realm is inhabited by the kings of the lands and the other mortals. I guess they're in between, but Heaven isn't necessarily 'good', they're just battling against the Evils. They've practically abandoned the Mortal Realm, except for Tyrael. And Izual doesn't make up all of Heaven's agents except for Tyrael. There're probably just as many as there are mortals in the Mortal Realm and demons in the Burning Hells. Izual is just one specific angel who fell, Tyrael's lieutenant to be precise. It's not like they're not the only two angels or anything.
I meant all of heavens agents that have come down that we know of. Their obviously not the only two beings in their realm. It'd be very lonely if they were.
Lawl, that it would. But Izual didn't come down, he just fought in a battle between Heaven and the Burning Hells.
That seems incomplete, I still sure there was something he had to do with the soul stones. I'll need to play the game again.
I know Tyrael was. He was very... Not sure of the word... Instrumental of their implementation? Basically, he wanted to have them. That doesn't sound quite as epic though, haha. Seeing as Izual was Tyrael's lieutenant, it would make a lot of sense for him to have also been in favour of the Soulstones and been active in their implementation, but I only know him as falling in a battle between the Heavens and Hells. I wasn't aware he was more involved than that, but it would make sense.
this is one of the more interesting theories i read The theory would be acceptible for most companies, but Blizzard, with production times that are far too great to ruïn the story of a game, thus possibly killing a universe, would have to do a little better then creating a evil character that basically helped the mortal realms survive. It is possible that Tyrael is partially corrupted though, or sligthly insane(as in; no complete control over his actions) from his dealings with demons(maybe that is why the angels arent helping the mortals; the mortal realms dont protect their minds like heaven does, and get corrupted by even being near demons)
