The Terran Advantage

Okay, who's with me when i say terran is the favoured race out of the three. They have a hard and great counter for zerg and protoss players. And, what i dont understand the most is, these COUNTERS ARE MUCH CHEAPER AND FASTER. I mean mass voids? what are you terran players complaning about? By the time i get 1 void out, you can have 4 vikings out, given you have the added lab. And the terran scan, its to cheap also they can scan up to 4 times with that and they just completely scouted 80%+ of the whole map. With that scan they completely found out your strategy too. DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED WITH MMM. This strategy is so cheap, so noob, and so simple, yet it will OWN armies twice the size. yeah i can P Storm there asses, but one well placed EMP, (WHICH YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO UPGRADE FOR GOD SAKES) takes that ability out asap. it doesnt even drain some of your energy, it drains ALLLLLL OF IT... W.T.F.


I hate it when terran players go early banshee . they can go invisible, that means i HAVE TO get a forge and put a cannon down my mineral line, OR i HAVE TO get a robo factory and a observer out. 1 unit, FORCES me to build a additional building PLUS a unit/cannon. Because of 1 unit, thats almost 400 minerals, so if you get 1 banshee out it pays of itself right instantly, without it even firing a single missile.

And dont even get me started about tanks and turtling in............those tanks have so. much. range. it whipes out my entire army before they even hit the slopes to go up the base. then they gotta destroy the supply depos, by the time those are out my armies dead anyways and they got a thor already. boom. GG. damnit. Why did blizzard nurf pstorm? why did they nurf the mothership? WHY DO THEY KEEP ON NURFING PROTOSS?

Look up WhiteRa on youtube, the Pro Protoss player, and the majority of his losses come from Terran players. He absolutely owns PvP or PvZ. I would even say 50%+ are to terran players. Coincidence? I think not.

PvT is SOOO BIASED TOWARDS THE TERRAN PLAYER BLIZZARD MUST FIX THIS.

THOUGHTS?COMMENTS?CONCERNS?OPINIONS?

 

to be honest, terrans hardly ever use vikings in the games i play, though I play zerg...

and to be frank, a protoss player should always have an observer in every game.

 

Terran players.....hardly..use vikings.......



what game are you playing?


I lost to mad vikings countless of times.

 

I couldn't agree more really. I don't claim to be some guru on this game, so feel free to troll me for agreeing, but it's a game for everyone...not just for pros.

I have such a huge issue playing vs terran as protoss as well dude. It's insanity. I find myself getting destroyed tons of games simply because the terran makes MM and techs the slow, kites my zealots (Grats to them for having the skill to kite...but for me to get charge on my zealots before they rush/kite me is nearly impossible.), and then proceed to rape my base. I understand that building stalkers earlier may be a key to fight this situation I just gave, but it's not always an option. It's insanely annoying to try to micro everything in my base to fight off 3 reapers who come in about the first 4 minutes. The unit is extraordinarily fast compared to all other units Protoss has available at 3-6 minutes in. I understand that Protoss shouldn't completely counter terran, but I've almost stopped playing Protoss simply because of how many people play terran and use these strategies.

Ending the rant and bicker on my part here, Protoss is annoying to vs Terran with. The only viable solution I see at this point, is to learn Terran. If anyone knows of videos I can study to get better as Protoss with...please...send the site to me. I'm open to adapting/learning other play styles. Thanks, and sorry for the rant.

 

What league are you in? It sounds like you don't scout and macro properly because all the things you mentioned have adequate counters.

 

this ma be true, but the number of times i have been rushed by zealots and cant do anything is mind blowing to me, I guess it's just the player...

 

Personally I'm in gold leagues when this happens. I've only been playing Starcraft since SC2 came out, so by no means am I aware of how to perfectly macro/micro/counter. Hence why I'm here and complaining, lol. I need some footage to adequately understand how **** is supposed to be done.

 

ohhh my ****ing god, same complains all the time, i'm starting to get pissed off of little noobs who complain. Then they ask themselves why they loose wow what a bull****. You talk like if blizzard made it on purpose.

First: you say that banshees forces you to build canons or observer, well if someone goes darktemplar rush then it will be the same ****ing crap don't you think?

Second: stargate is much more accessible than a starport: a terran must build barracks, then factory then starport then reactor while protoss build a gate then a ****ing stargate. OMG before writting anything you should think about what you write.

Third: if he makes 15 siege tanks on 1 base then you make 20 immortals with more upgrades than he does.and you expand everywhere . Or warp in units in his base, or massive woid rays and stalkers, or immortals, stalkers, void rays. Or colossus, immortyal and phoenix.


Try new things FFS, don't cry, it won't make you suddenly win PVT. Man its anoying,

 

You may wanna stop posting on forums and reading them if you're honestly annoyed/frustrated by posts. People need help with what they don't understand. Just because you find it easy doesn't mean everyone else does.

 

@BigDog: You say that reaper rush is almost impossible counter as a protoss. Well haven't you ever wonder why pros get a stalker first against terrans? Stalkers will ****ing pwn the reaper, try it. Who said you HAD to build zealots?? Who please find me the person who told you that every protoss game you ahve to make zealots.


against terrans most pros make a gate, then cybernetics core as fast as possible then they build a stalker.

 

@DarkCommander Ok, that's acceptable. I'm not a pro. Nor are you. You may know more, but it's not necessary for you to troll and act like a E-gangster to prove a point. It's not hard to say things kindly. Plus you end up helping others instead of just making us wanna ignore everything you say. Whether it's valid, or not.

 

Yes I'm not against people who ask for help, but KingKush didn,t asked for help he said it was imbalanced and other anoying stuff. Where do you see in his initial post that he asks for tips? He dosen,t all he does is saying something is imbalanced and crying about it. If he would have just asked for tips then trust me I would have made a whole different post. On the other hand you assume that you need help so I have no problem with it.


Please understand that I'm not evil guy but there is a huge difference between crying and asking for help. Kingkush cries about imbalance and you assume that you need help. Totally different.

 

@DarkCommander Yea looking back on the OP, I can see reason to get aggressive. I tend to handle people who are raging with the same attitude as someone asking for help. Usually they calm down and actually accept advice better. I'm not a fan of crying either, but there's been many games and comments by other players that have the same type of sentences coming out of my mouth to friends haha. Playing protoss can be reallllly annoying at times.

 

I can tell the OP is just trying to vent and unwind after what I'm guessing were a string of Terran losses, so I'm not going to directly respond.


Instead, I'm just going to say that issues of balance should really be left to players who can truly be considered competent. Our competitive nature inclines us to blame the game mechanics before blaming ourselves. In reality, the individual player is the most imbalanced part of the game.

 

The game seems fairly balanced. It's gone through months of tweaking in beta. It may have some small tweaks ahead like brood war always did, but it's already quite balanced.

Unit counters are like rock, paper, scissors, except its more skill than luck because you can scout and you can predict with more evidence.

As for your specific points, you mentioned that terran can scan the whole map, but if they do that then they won't have any mules which are vital. You mentioned cloaked banshees, but protoss have cloaked dark templar that have permanent cloaking, unlike the banshee.

You mentioned MMM, but both psi storm and colossi are effective counters, so I'd have to have both ghosts and vikings to counter your counters. Protoss armies are more mobile and they are better at expanding usually. There are pros and cons of each race, so one just has to understand them and use them correctly.

 

its my post and i didnt ask for help as i dont want any i was looking for peoples opinions.

if you disagree and wanna bash, the exit button is on the top right corner of the screen, please proceed

if you disagree, and explain why, am all ears.


BigDog, i understand how you feel , and i can guarentee you that MANY, maybe even thousands of protoss players feel the way me and you do. NONE OF US ARE PRO'S(if you are i stand corrected) BUt the majority of us arent. i cant micro and macro at the same time, i cant do it perfectly, and MMM is SO EASY yet it owns protoss if you dont agree you dont play protoss and havent played against MMM.

BTW I was in the Platinum League, but i played so many terrans in the plat that did this gay little strat i got dropped back to gold. i tried everything to counter it just doesnt seem to work for me, maybe its bad luck, maybe i suck ****, but honestly MMM is such a SIMPLE EASY STRAT that is TO EFFECTIVE IT MUST BE DULLED IN SOME WAY. I mean, ANYBODY can make 3 barracks and click the buttons non stop. but for protoss to counter it you need SKILL to micro your units, micro your collosi in the back, or use P Storm on the group. the skill level needed to combat MMM and Terran turtle is MUCH HIGHER then the skill level needed to counter MMM. Thats my point. and also, MICRO'ING MMM back n FOrth with STIMPACK is MUCHHH MUCHHH easier then trying to throw down the sentries shields/block at just the right away, or P storming just the right time, this requires MUCH more skill.

@BambooPanda - Have you seen the statistics? is it coincidence that Pro Protoss players have the highest loss rate against terran? is it coincidence that terran has the highest win rate in almost EVERY DIVISION IN THE WORLD? is it coincidence most noobs start out with terran and seem to be better then if they start off with zerg/protoss?(granted they mightve played the campaign)Is it coincidence that HALF. *50%!! of the top ten players in the world right now are terran players?

source: http://sc2ranks.com/

^ Again, granted, the top 2 players are protoss, BUT, like mentioned before, I AM, ALONG WITH 99% OF PEOPLE THAT PLAY THIS GAME, ARE NOT PRO PLAYERS.



PS- I believe the rankings change daily when i checked it on aug 15th 6PM Pacific time there was 5 terrans in top ten.

 

What betrays your skill level is the fact that you're fixated on Terran's weakest attributes.

At the level of play where opposing players find the MMM hard to deal with, those same Terran players struggle to deal with things like mass Void Rays or Baneling Busts. It's a point in the learning curve where everyone is playing the easiest "1a2a3a" tactics available to their chosen Race. The "grass is greener" syndrome is always going to negatively affect the opinions of players in this bracket.

In higher level play, Terran has basically abandoned mass MMM because of it's inability to function as a true game-ender in macro-based matches. In other words, there's a light at the end of the tunnel for anyone who wants to rage over MMM.

For anyone struggling with a particular tactic/strategy and wanting to actually be proactive about it, your best bet is to find a Terran player of equal skill and bang out a lot of matches where you pre-determine what the build orders are going to be. Practicing in ladder can be frustrating and ego-bruising (look at this thread), and the lack of consistency in lower-level players can skew one's post-game analysis as far as what adjustments need to be made.

 

it seem like the terran you are goinf against has everything can scan and still have mules he obviously is hacking. Now to say that a race is overpowered based on one persons experiece is crazy mmm is not overpowered I use a void ray to force them
to go mmm all the time a collusus has such huge range that all marines should be dead for zeals to clean up ( which are your cheapest and strongest units ) simply learn to play your race like the terran has or complain and then try the hacking route .

 

I've been playing zerg up to now but I'll be moving to terran this week and see how it goes... I'm VERY curious.

 

Did you just say the higher level players dont MMM?

There are professionals going MMM 100%

Go to youtube, look up WhiterRa PvT, almost ALL of them go MMM early on.