Terrible - what am I doing wrong?

Discussion in 'StarCraft 2 Strategy Discussion' started by sc2fan, Oct 7, 2010.

Terrible - what am I doing wrong?

Discussion in 'StarCraft 2 Strategy Discussion' started by sc2fan, Oct 7, 2010.

  1. sc2fan

    sc2fan New Member

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    Bronze-level player, 22 wins and 23 losses. Here is a replay of my most recent game where I basically get raped. How can I improve? It seems there is constantly something like Banshees destroying all my SCVs which just makes me give up so for the rest of the game I'm just living off a small amount of minerals. What are you supposed to do if you get all your SCV's destroyed and while you're trying to build more he's just wrecking your base? He had like 6 banshees out when I only had 2. Please watch and advise (I'm Blue):
     

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    Well.. From what I see. You need to remember to stop with the idle SCVs. It's a waste of time and valuable resources. You should also get your orbital command center up faster so you can benefit from the resources earlier in game. You mineral macro is good man, you really don't need work with that. Expanding would be good of course, but expanding is a touchy subject. Anyway... Your biggest flaws were the lack of scouting, the lack of unit production, and panicing while making the wrong decisions when you were attacked by the shees.

    You are Terran...you have the most ways to scout an enemy base out of all 3 races. You should use that to your advantage. You have a scanner which is virtually free to use and if you had scanned him you would have known in the beggning you had enough to rape what he had at his base in the beggining before he started really pumping banshees.

    Your unit macro was bad as well though not horribly horribly bad. You need to remember to keep pumping out units, and that's also where scouting comes in handy. Knowing what to pump is important. If you had scouted the shees and made some vikings you would have been fine and had a way bigger army than he did. The person you played wasn't very good and was simply screwing up a wanna be cookie cutter mold.

    You paniced, you should have ran your workers out right away when the banshees came, and then gotten your army over there. Remember hotkey your CC as well so you can scan and such whenever you need it. You also stopped making units when you were attacked. When something happens and it doesn't demand any immediate micro draw up your buildings and build a few units then go back to the fight.

    You arn't that bad of a player man, I'm sure you'll get outa bronze soon bro. Keep trying.
     
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    Thanks dude, I appreciate that. you're right about the idle SCVs. I keep forgetting to set them to go back to the minerals after building stuff lol. And yeah I panicked when the 'shees were blowing me away.

    After looking at a few of my recent games I think one of my problems is not using the units I've got to scout and attack and just keeping them at the choke ... often when reviewing a game I got owned in there were opportunities where I could have sent my force over because I had more troops.

    Thanks also to Xern for that link, its helpful.
     
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    If you hold shift when you drop a building you can right click on minerals after so you don't need to remember about setting them to go back to work on minerals :)
     
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    Oh..and... Try not to set you rrally point to the gas. xDDD It doesn't help at all if you've already got 3 workers on it. Lmao.
     
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    Your main thing was lack of scouting. You decided to make an army while your opponent teched up. This was the perfect time to push out with your army, before you made the starports. It looked like you wanted to build up an army to rush the player, but instead had them sit in your base while you switched tech and decided to go banshees. Send your army or wall in and tech up, doing everything at the same time while screw you.
     
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    guarding against banshees aren't really hard. against six banshees, if you have two MTs up, along with marines to go w/ scanning, easy take out.
     
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    Thanks all. I think I've improved a bit. I'm in Silver now and am attacking earlier instead of building marines at my choke that never do anything.
     
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    Glad to hear it! >=O
     
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    Good work. Taking things step by step and learning along the way works really well. :)
     
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    Hi again all,

    So I've been playing more and improved a small bit, but here is a quick game I just lost where I basically got owned by a Protoss. What could I have done differently? I thought I had a strong force but it got decimated.

    I was focus-firing his Stalkers in the battle, should I be doing Zealots instead? Which are more important?
     

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    I put the game on x4 but I think I saw most of your problems.

    - You kept up with the toss macro wise for the better part of the game, but around 7-8 minutes you stopped making SCVs meaning his macro slowly got better. LAst time I checked the gathing tab of the replay he was ahead of you by a few hundred minerals. May not sound like bunch but if it kept up, 20 minutes in he'd probably have you by 1000 minerals meaning he'd be way outproducing you and that's partially what happend to you.

    - Though I like your try at pushing, you should have waited and gotten more units first, perferably Marauders. But then again I had view of the whole map and somtimes what you had would have been enough to take down his force.

    - Remember to keep your SCVs from going idle. When you build a building with an SCV hold down shift and tell it what to do after it's done. Shift + Right click a mineral/gas, or press B and tell it to build the next building. I only saw 1 maybe 2 of them.

    - Do NOT focus fire when it comes to groups like that unless there is a singular unit you need to kill. A ghost, a Dark Templar, or a High Templar etc. When it comes down to large army fights it's best to just control the special units like Ravens and such. If you hadn't done that you'da done a lot more dammage to his force and prolly given yourself more time to get ready.

    - When you see a toss use the sentries shield, back off bro. Specially if your force isn't obviously big enough to roll over his. That's where the micro comes into play, not the focus firing. Run away, specially if you're stimmed. Plus if he has bad unit control you could picked off all of those zlots easily.

    - Don't do a double reactor versus a Protoss, at least not in the beggining. Marauders are a lot better versus Protoss than marines are, not to mention Marauders rape buildings as well.

    Pretty much if you had waited and built up your force more, but more Marauder heavy and built more SCVs that game would have been quite a bit longer. Always a good idea to put an SCV or something at the Xel Naga watch tower so you can see the map. Your first scouting SCV could have gone to one, all it did was sit around in the Protoss's natural. This is what I saw and if people would be more helpful I'm sure others would find other things.
     
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    ^ Thanks! I've noticed you always give good advice in threads like this, I appreciate it. You're right about me forgetting to continue to build SCVs after a certain time, I'll keep a check on that.
     
  15. Takaim

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    I do it cus I like getting good advice when I need it so I always try and give good advice. No problem. You should join up in the Road to Diamond thread up in General Discussion, help you out a lot I think.