Every time blizzard has done an update terrans have been slowed down disadvantaged to the point that it is near impossible to win a game against an only half decent zerg or protoss player I have over 2500 games almost all terran so I know what I am saying to be valid............Terrans dont have the units nor build capacity to defeat any other race anymore why?? is it to pander to the grandmaster league who dont use terran............For players like myself it has taken the fun out of the game when you know you cant build a good enough attack fast enough.....whats your thoughts ??? please no person attacks this is a valid post with valid concerns thank you
I'd have to agree with Kuv, Games dont mean much. Most people dont use all the terran units to their full advantage. I seen 4 Ravens kill some 20 - 40 Toss Void's. Its how you play the game. Terran is without a doubt, the hardest race to play. They biggest advantage is their raw power and defense. You just need to know how to stack your tiers and when to change counters. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2046635/1/Shadow/ladder/lastseason/leagues Now bear with me, Its been a while since I have played. So my current season is garbage. Last season, I was on my A-game with terran.
ROFL was my first reaction... you couldn't be more wrong man! INVALID first of all, Terran is the most overpowered race as of now. ssecond of all, Terran has the most direct counter units than any other race 3rd - Terrans 1-1-1 build provides them to tech switch to anything they want 4th - Terrans have marines which can be used throughout the whole game and still output a lot of damage. 5th - Ghosts have EMP which is a direct counter to all casters (High templars/Ghosts/Ravens etc..) because they have an area of affect rather than targeting a single unit. 6th - Terrans have the fastest economic boost with mules, if a terran happens to fall behind, he can bounce right back up. 7th - Global StarCraft League, biggest tournament in the world, more than 3/4 of the time, the finals are TvT or has a Terran in the finals 8th - Most tournaments (MLG, IEM, Dreamhack, ESWC, WCG etc...) have mostly terrans in their top 10. 9th - whats more scary than a cloaked unit? A FLYING CLOAKED UNIT (banshee) 10th - Koreans and top players have recently admitted that terran is the most powerful race out as of now. 11th - notice on sc2ranks.com how there are far more terrans than any other race on top. 12th - Terrans don't have to tech for detection, just an orbital can save a player. 13th - TvP, Protoss players barely have a chance in high level play. 14th - TvZ, Zergs often fall to a simple marine tank pushe if done early enough. 15th - the only even match up is TvT lol I can honestly go on forever... probably to 30 reasons. I understand your frustration as you are probably stuck in a helpless situation but you need to do your research or practice before making highly invalid statements. If you are stuck, do your homework and go on youtube and watch... learn... apply... practice... improve... I am a masters protoss, and I am currently trying to transition to terran --> I am having a way easier time winning and dealing with situations. good luck
to cHowziLLa where did you get nyour 'facts' from oh yeah it was fantasy land where most ppl's 'facts' come from besides you miss the point as did everyone else... I am not concerned with my game nor anyone else's its the FACT that starcraft has disasdvantage the terran game on every update, what I'm getting at it makes it harder for learning players (like mysel) to play on a constant even field when the goal posts are constantly moved.
what gives you the right to publish anything about me mate I have started a thread for some views from other ppl I would like some intelligent response like I have recieved below unfortuneately intelligence has been lost on you.
It's all in your head. Even I, at platinum/diamond level don't notice the subtle patch differences. You just make a big thing about it because you have read the notes. And T always getting the nerf bat isn't anything noteworthy. There is no balance policy that says "we can't nerf a race x times within y patches". They change balance according to the prevalent metagame and tendencies.
Brutal, I understand where you are coming from. I am a avid Terran player, I suck, but I do try to improve. I was realllllly bad in the begining, but over many games, and replays and reading forums I started to get better. Dont take what these guys are saying to face, they are just trying to make a point that just becuase the terran gets screwed over, doesnt make them bad - your just bad. (Been there ) My only advice is to practice, stop using the same marine rush, the same Thor and maud build or the infamous MMM. Try other tactics, most people dont make use of the raven, or even the banshee. Hell, people dont realize that 5 hellions + blue flame can rape cracklings if you micro correctly. Just explore your option, think of combo's and look at pro players. I cant tell you how much youtube has increased my game play. HuskyStarcraft is your new friend, he is an amazing commentator. I highly recommend you watch his videos Cheers, Shadow
to shadow I truly tank you for your positive input, I have played sc1 and sc2 from the beginning(yes I am that old..I began paying games when all you could play was pool and pinball down at the local shop). The point I have been trying to make and get feedback from is why do Terrans get DE-graded every update.I want to know why????I understand that my tactics suck sometimes my macro aint as good as it could be etc etc but I'm getting on in years and thats to be expected. I always have been a dedicated terran player with a short time playing protoss at the beginning of sc2. I have noticed the down grades !!!!any player and I mean ANY who is playing terran is pushed to the limit att to play a gg without constantly being downgraded....................and I simply want to know why its hard enough playing terran without having the goal posts moved att.. Once again thank you so much for your REAL input
Already told you. But to break it down for you: pros get better with every passing week, thus subtle imbalances surface, so certain units/abilities are balanced at different points in time. In the stupidest layman's terms: have you asked yourself why the majority of Koreans play Terran and stomp? That's one of the things 1.4 aims to fix.
Every Race will get nerf'd or upgraded eventually with every patch. RTS's are all about balance, and the solution is to patch all the imbalances. I remember when SC2 was released, me and my partner would reaper rush to gold. We were on some 15+ winning streak just by doing reaper rushes. They checked that, and nerfed reapers. Than i would use bunkers, and sell them back for 100% of the profit, 4 bunkers = a new command center, thats way to cheap. They nerf'd bunkers, That isnt to say though, that the other races have suffered just as much as well. Remember, the game is about balances, and since people exploit those balances with new strategies that 'win' its up to blizzard to correct the imbalance.
I've heard from some commentator that Terran is the most imba race at the pro koreans... i dont know how oO when i play ZvT i usually get 2-raxed for the win :C but im learning to counter it.. and if they dont 2-rax its just a straight win for me so i think terran is pretty easy to pwn and they need no more nerf, but they might disagree in Korea
Wow.... i actually thought this was a joke thread. I have to say IMHO you are wrong, Mass Marines are stil one of the most frustrating things in the game and honestly Terran seems a bit (to borrow a term from DoW) IMBLA!
don't feel victimized by the nerfs, the fact that you feel you are having a hard time already with Terran is not a concern to the game balances unless you play Terran at its full potential. (Maybe you do) Imagine a bronze player saying: I LOVE MASS MARINES but I can't do anything against infestors, its unfair! So blizzard listens to the player and buffs marines and makes it immune to spells. The point of the game is to force the player to adapt and to prevent monobattles like Shadow[E] mentioned. no offense but if the past couple Terran nerfs are preventing you from winning completely, you are doing something wrong. How do you think Protoss players felt when blizzard completely removed two upgrades! Flux veins and Kardarian Amulet. I was disapointed at first, cuz we can't go mass void rays, or instantly storm. Now we have to only get a couple of void rays mixed in with your main army, and build your High Templars earlier so you can accumulate more energy. Every nerf is for the greater good, this is blizzard they know what they are doing. You are not suppose to be able successful with 1 build, you need to be able to adapt and diverse yourself.
I follow the pro scene A LOT, and play at a high level, I'm pretty sure I'm not inventing my "facts", and you are basing your knowledge solely on personal experience, whose the one preaching to fantasy land now? Let me explain myself when I say Terran is overpowered. I'm saying the learning curve to play Terran WELL is way easier than any other race. Thus meaning a diamond Terran can beat a masters protoss easier than a diamond protoss beating a masters Terran. A terran will reach its max potential faster than a Zerg can reach its max potential. The disadvantages you are concerned about don't even change the Terran gameplay that much, only the nerf on supply depot before barracks. Practice dude. All this to say you shouldn't have any worries about the patches. LOL I'd like to ask which league you are in. I gave the same feedback the others did such as checking youtube. I understand what you are talking about, regarding your goal of this thread being misunderstood however you are asking the wrong question that is why you are feeling that I am "flaming" you. I have played sc1 as well and I feel you still have a big misunderstanding of the game itself.
brutalbrital, you are not the only old'man there. Most of us have played SC1 for sure too. So watch out for your ego man. you want to know why they nerf them? Just because they need to. Other have already given you more detailed explanation... if you don't want to hear, don't ask. Otherwise you go to just flamming.
Also the fact the Terran has units like the reaperl, they are the only race that can do a full wall off and still have units who literally jump down a cliff totally bypassing the wall they made, which by the way Terran is the only race that can make a full wall and still have free mobility of their forces. Finnaly have you seen how well almost all Terran units can kite, even without the concussive shells.
