I just finished a game with a zerg player that had some pretty good macro, and he even got a high yield. I got a pretty late expansion, and still managed to destroy his 3 base army(1 high yield) TWICE. I couldn't help but feel bad for this guy. Everything he sent at me which was mostly ultra, roaches, zerglings, and hydras all got completely destroyed. Here's the replay. Honestly, I'm starting to get the feeling that terran really are imba.
Both attacks by him were when all his zerglings and ultralisks were trying to rush up a choke point. They ended up getting caught up on each other so only a fraction of his army was able to attack each time. If he had sent part of his army around the map to flank (or, in the case of the second battle, waited until your army moved off the watch tower so they could be flanked) then you would have lost. Also, other things could have still won him the game. For most of the game, he didn't have enough drones to be fully mining at 3+ bases, he never rebuilt his spire to get corrupters and brood lords, and near the end of the game when all you had were thors and marauders, he should have been massing ultralisks instead of hydralisks. Terran isn't overpowered, the zerg player just made too many mistakes to win.
I purposely stayed in the watch tower to avoid letting the zerg get a surround, but thats just it. The zerg have to put so much effort in everything they do to be successful while the terran just have to do many simply things( such as staying in a narrow choke point). I mean to even survive a good siege mm push you would have to have some nicely set up burrowed banelings to counter it while the terran just sits in the front of your base and put his tanks in siege mode. I'm a hardcore terran player, but I cant help but feel pretty bad for the zerg at times. Baneling bust?( reinforced wall) muta harass? (turrets) roach zergling hydra push? (tanks with mm) ultralisk? (thor and marauder.) all that is just so simple. I mean even taking care of queen is harder then taking care of the OC. Yes, they are balanced but what I'm trying to say is that zerg has to try about 3x more then the terran.
TvZ is terribly Imba. And I dont say that as a Z who had to drop it due to T either. Pros have been dropping like flys leaving zerg due to terran. Zerg early game have very few strats to try and use versus T. We got 6 pool... overpool -> Nydus roach hording and muta rush and double fast expo Terran got.... MM rush MMM rush Reaper Rush Reaper/Bunker cheese Viking rush (rarely used as it sucks) Mech ball hellions/tanks Oh and they can scan to adjust as and if needed.... Early game almost impossible to kill MMM and late game a fully made mech ball can't be killed by zerg unless someones micro goes to hell (ie T goes to make a ****ing hot pocket as he attacks you) Even for Protoss it isnt easy to kill a MMM....on the bright side a very very skilled P can stop a MM with devastating effect (insane micro needed by P) Granted a good chargelot and blink stalker can hold its own with upgrades it can be kited with concus. MMM forces P to go stalker/collosi... which isnt easy to pull off imo This vid alone is what made me drop Zerg like a brick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ie1K7iFyp0
That guy never flanked. He played zerg as if it were terran or protoss, having his whole army on one control group and attack moved. There were several moments where if he had zerglings to directly attack the tanks from another direction, he would have crushed every mech force. And no, that is not extra micro to get on even ground... it's extra micro to win with no resistance, unless the terran is playing equally smart to avoid the flanks somehow. Also, he could have gotten mutalisks, since that terran only had a few thors. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68H8FeZHkWg
That was my theory... for him to try and grab a few mutas to harass as he didnt defend his main at all. The main rage comes from the mech ball is soooooooo powerful. Zerg can win when they outnumber the enemy but if the mech ball gets to 200 than in theory zerg cant kill it which is the big problem. The only solution is brood lords but at that late in the game trying to stop the 200 Mech ball you screw yourself and getting broods rdy in time :/ (silver at the time i think was ranked 40th ish and Psy i forget off hand but hes top 50 too)
LOL, If he has thors and marauders, you really dont want to mass ultras. You need broodlords + Hydras. I feel like Terran are just a little bit overpowered, but nothing terrible. The Zerg player just needs to adapt to what the terran has. Watch the rep from HuskyStarcraft, the game is Idra vs Drewbie. Epic match.
Agreed, but he was still able to get quite a lot of hydralisks out and they still got roflpwned by my small amount of thors and medivacs. He actually did the smart thing, and I just stood there like wow how the hell is my little left over thor/marauder army doing so much damage to his 3 expansions and all those hydras? I'm a diamond, Rush is diamond, and Lunatic is silver. Please give something to back up your opinions besides "These guys are low ranks so they don't know nothing"
Ultras do insane bonus damage against armored, making them very good against marauders. Sure they aren't the greatest against thors, but they fare far better than hydralisks do.
Marauders do crazy damage againsts ultras. 3 Marauders can crap on an ultra any time by microing, although this does not happen ussually in massive battles, marauders are still really cost-efficient against ultras (much more than thors in my opinion). if you can get broodlords to mess up the terran's AI with broodlings, hydras will rape em bad.
A stimmed marauder isn't faster than an ultralisk, even off creep. Oh and I sure hope you aren't expecting the marauders slowing attack to work on an ultralisk. Also, what happens to 12 marauders when there are 2 ultras coming from the front and 2 from behind? In that case I would count them lucky if they are able to kill one ultralisk before all dying.
Marauders are faster then ultras stimmed, maybe not on creep. A group of thors and marauders take down ultras before they can even get to them, especially if the marauders are stimmed and microing the ultras. Marauders will rarely ever get in that situation, there's usually always 3 or more paths to go.
Stim Marauders are faster than Ultras, at least off creep. On the Terran challenge, 3 marauders are more than enough to take down the ultra, without them being hit once. 12 maurauders if split can prob kill 2 to 3 ultras, even if they get surrounded. That's why you usually bring the lings along, otherwise terran armies would just split and laugh on the ultras.
Im plat in my 2's 3's and preset 2's.just for the record But I also hangout with Texmix (rank 40) Aleeeeeeeesa rank 30's? for 2's Thegreenmachine rank 32 and this is the same gripe they all have so yah screw the noob who made the bronze comment lol (furthermore im rank 708 silver )
