StarCraft's 2 true opponent is ...

and i think its comming the same time with Starcraft 2 release........ omg 2 Amazing games will be battle in.
forgive me e.a.la but forget Ra3 this is a very dangerous opponents guys!

http://www.dawnofwar2.com/us/home check out the trailer!

sorry for the huge images, mods what is the code to reduce img size here?

 

I'm a huge Dawn of War fan. It's my favourite RTS game, bar none. The reason that it is is because it actually requires a lot of strategy. In most other RTS's, including StarCraft, you're just able to mass one unit type and you'll win. In Dawn of War this is not the case. I remember when going through the original Dawn of War's missions, I got to a stage where there's an epic battle through rows and rows of Orkish defences. The first time I went up against them, I'd acquired a full force, max'd both Squad and Vehicle limit, and equipped all squads with the most powerful weapons I could. When I went up against the Ork defences, I got absolutely snapped. The weapons I'd chosen were not suitable for the enemies I was attacking, squads were constantly breaking and getting absolutely ripped to shreds by the Orks, etc, etc. In short, my whole army got wiped out while doing very little damage. Anyway, I gather the exact same army again, but this time equipped them with appropriate weaponry, got everyone in order and positioned, and advanced. This time I was much more careful about my approach and managed the battle the whole time. Got all tanks attacking buildings, Assault Marines tying up their melee unit while Melta Bombing their structures, Tactical Marines firing and throwing grenades over their heads, rallying broken squads, etc, etc. I know a lot of you may say that it was the first attack that weakened them, but this second wave absolutely torn them apart at the seams, and I survived with about half my army in tact. Anyway, that's just one particularly memorable example. There are dozens of others.
From what I've heard about Dawn of War 2, the army sizes are going to be reduced somewhat. Instead of pitching great armies against great armies, they're going to be elite squads against elite squads. I've heard they're also trying to make each squad more personable and relatable with their own unique portrait for each Sergeant, Nob, Aspiring Champion, etc. Sounds like it will be a bit different to the original but no less fun. I'm really looking forwards to it.

EDIT: Also, this would probably be better in Other Games, not General StarCraft 2 Discussion.

 

You cannot beat Starcraft II. Period.
Yeah those little soldiers look cool and stuff, but, lets face it, it wont be another Starcraft.

PS: I find it rude to post this into SCII General Discussion, its in wrong place and advertising completely different game.

 

relax people nothing is rude i think this place was the best cause i want it to compare it with sc2. i didnt advertise it, but you can't ignore the enemy, he can kill you!

i love sc and i belive its a uniqe game, but having great compatition means Blizzard will try Even More to Prove they have the best weapon

so its good for as the customers!

compatition=better products!

 

It won't be another StarCraft because the game works in a very different way to StarCraft. In Dawn of War resources are slowly gained over time, not harvested with workers. The units come in squads, not as individuals. The moral system can completely change the course of a battle, not like StarCraft where it's just who ever's dealing the most damage wins. They're both RTS's and both great games, but they can hardly be compared to each other.
I wouldn't call it rude, it's just been misplaced. It should have been posted in Other Games as it's just a general discussion about Dawn of War 2 and not an advertisement for it, I trust.

 

Lets clear one think i want us to Compare the games Visualy !
the gameplays are totaly different to each other and DOW looks more rpg/rts less unites and in many other ways as ItzaHexGor perfectly mentioned.

what we know so far is Visual / Craphics, so lets talk about those.
i like both of them, but DoW has a more "dark" and at the same time "colorfull" envirement, that compination i would like to see more in SC2

now i am not sure about the scale... if you look at the second dow screenshot its not only the angle but the power generator, building, its Huge compared to the units!
would that be good for sc2? maybe a little more scale difference?....i trully dont now, but i cant see the Zergling or now the Baneling looking almost 50% of the Siege Tank's size.... looks strange...

 

Comparing games visually is useless to my oppinion. Of course they could make SCII the 10 years ahead of its time with their kind of budget. But Blizzard cares about gameplay.

Oh and if you REALLY want visual competition buy Crysis.

 

i have it but we are talking about rts here not FPS!

and thoughts like they could do that and they could do this, and if grandmother had whiles she would be a car....

comone untill now, if you compare them, any comments? in current state Not, yestarday not Tommorow! Today!

p.s DoW 1 and all of its expansion was Very nice visually and very playable their engine was great too!
but i am more sc style type

 

Erm... okay... DoW has better graphics than SCII. There you go! Happy?
And were talking about best rts in the world in here not about some B-class hardware washout.

 

It's a drop pod. But yeah, it's big. But that's because the squads are smaller and probably seen from a closer angle (when you haven't zoomed out which you of course will be able to do in a game like DoW 2).

This feels more like the tabletop game where your army isn't THAT big. I am probably going to buy this just for fun. The gameplay isn't really my cake. Starcraft is.

 

Starcraft will brutally own all other RTS's.

 

That is true, however dow2 could be sell more copies than starcraft2

 

yeah maybe cause warhammer was ages before starcraft universe, in fact warhammer universe was and its an insparation for many of the developers in blizzard.

and as about someone wondering why Tyran wasnt so far in any DoW expansion they dont afraid Blizzard to law sue them, cause again Tyrany - Aliens was the insperation for Blizzards Zergs....

i agree Sc2 is more RTS than Dow

 

aah, i grew up on SC. i have seen and played DOW but it just didnt catch me like SC did. Mabey its because the first computer game i ever played was SC back when i was a little kid, Just by looking at the game and there cinimatics i would hamds down go with SC yet again. Blizzard really knows how to please a crowd and i'm a ice shard blizzard boy for life...

 

Who copied who ? We can see a sort of REAPER in those pictures. Has DOW copied SC2, or is it the inverse ?

 

Guys, chill , i think the thread is interesting, there's no point of saying "the X game will own or the Y game will trample over the others etc". Let's hope SC2 will be at least as good as the original (tho i know Blizzard will do a hella of good work with it). DOW's best aspects are the eye-candy graphics of the melee clashes of 2 armies and the squad gameplay, C&C is about massing lots of weak units or some very powerfull units and destroy the enemy with relatively little micro, and SC.. well SC's best aspect is the gameplay, who requiers a lot of strategy and experience. Let's don't forget about the SC's gfx.. even 2-3 years after the launch of the original SC, i didn't saw a RTS (2D or 3D), to have this kinda graphic, that didn't had anything anoying or too colourfull or too dark. It was perfect for the atmosphere of SC. It may be only my oppinion, but i think SC2 graphics reminds of WC3. Well.. in the end, it is the same company who made them both.

 

plus just wait for the newest graphic technologies because Blizzard knows that if it takes time to create SC2 the graphics technologies don't wait for the release of the game. Each year sees new technologies, and Blizzard must always take care of them and implement them in thier future games anyway. If SC2 takes Two more years until its release that means that Blizzard will add the newest technologies of the next year for instance.

I hope for SC2 that this game will get all the newest graphics anyway. Remember we have been waiting for TEN LONG YEARS ! Blizzard will not disappoint us. And NO other video game will own this future one.

 

i agree with both latest opinion except the above quato, if you have player Dow you will see that warhammer 40k universe had those units Years before sc 1 was released!

the point is that seems a Very promising game, and its build on a very strong Engine, especially in multiplayer its has Blizzards performance! i will not compare starcraft2 or even 1 or dow1 or 2 with C&C 3. there is no point...if you know what i mean...

"in the quality of your product reflects, the passion you gave in programme, anime and use the art in it!".-

you can feel it in every game, when you see a unit animated with a tiny details that you may never noticed But its There! You know that the guy that made that unit was fracking passionate!
or the same in programming when you cant find easy detectable bugs, and game performance in multiplayer or
in sound with unique voices
in Cinematics, oh boy..............in cinematics.....BLIZZARD RULES THEM ALL!

what makes my feel sad is when i see details and passion like those been pushed by marketing and destroyed (ex C&C3) sorry i am huge fan of all 3 franchises but i can help it when i am disapointed!

Maybe (i pray for not) the same will happen with sc2 or dow2.(don’t care that much for DoW thought )
in Blizzard’s case now that i am better think it the TRUE Opponent of Starcraft2 is only the STARCRAFT : Broodwar.....

it’s an extreme task to overcome other successful titles, but its even worst to try overcome your self, this sequel can be its Ultimate Boost, or the First and final direct hit to Blizzard's reputation, that will kill them all!


hmmm....lets Vote

 

Who made a video game first? DOW or SC??

 

The only thing that could even come close is RA3 ut it would only be a threat if Westwood were making it but they're gopne now and EA will never sell the rights to Petroglyph (the majority of former WW employees)