StarCraft II Insights

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StarCraft II Insights

  1. ronin2011

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    Wow, best read in a long time.
     
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    Interesting, they're focusing on the Zerg quite a lot then again, it is probably the least completed race. Roaches being the tank of the race seems cool
     
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    I was starting to worry about that issue.. They had left Zerg to weak for a long time..
     
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    I don't think you can infer Blizzard is focusing on the Zerg just because this article is.

    In any case, I got all excited to read the article based on everybody's comments but I was actually a little bit disappointed. It didn't really elaborate on the change they made to the Zerg tech tree, or talk about any other units. And the comments on Starcraft II as a new game, etc. weren't actually news to me.

    I just want the beta to come out already....
     
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    I always had a feeling Blizzard were pretty serious TF2 fans- at least once I saw this.

    They said they changed something with the Roach... but not what it was! Was it just a damage nerf, or what?
     
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    who knows?! maybe it's the range of fire..!
     
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    A reduced range would indeed push it to the front lines, but in such a way so as to not overshadow Banelings?
     
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    as I understood the banelings were already having balance problems and in a certain perion no one used them..
    but I think this all about the hydras which are too weak for the mid-game
     
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    Did you read the article? It was about a big chunk of the Zerg race. Hydras being underused, Banelings being ignored in favor of Roaches. Supposedly they changed something to make Roaches into tanks, giving Banelings some breathing room, giving Hydras something to do, all at once.
     
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    We don't know how much air did they give to banelings neither we know who much will they be used.. I think this will help more the hydras.. so I have no comment to make for your response..
     
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    what about ultras...? im sure they are pretty good tanks to even tho they come late game. so the zerg would have this 2 lines of superior tanks, ultras and lings being first line while roaches are 2nd and hydras firing safely from the back. it would be pretty hard to take down a army like that. especialy since ultras alone and fully upgraded are hell to take down alone as it is.

    since they said that banelings and roaches both hit the same target which is light armored units, how about just changing one of them to do bonus dmg to armored targets instead...? maybe roach does 8+8 to armored and does reg dmg to light targets.
     
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    Roaches doing dmg against armored has been discussed elsewhere, but the fact that they would just be another maruder/stalker stated by IHG convinced me. I like the new tank roach, perfect role.

    Ultras got a lot of hp, but with there new upgrade dealing splash and a lot more dmg, I dont think they are tanks anymore.
     
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    Ultras are still tanks, just because they just have abilities that help them in other things and are able to have a decent dps doesnt mean they arent tanks, personally right now i keep thinking that the Ultras will lose splash during the Beta stage, Blizzard keeps remarking that the highest Tiers are one of the most difficult to balance do to how long it takes to get to them / and most matches end mid game, and I think the Ultras should retain their weakness to multiple small units.
     
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    ultras still have the higest defence and carapace upgrades among all the zerg units and they also have the most HP. so i cant see how they can not be called tanks lol. a ultra has like +4 or +5 carapace fully upgraded where everyone all other zerg units have like +3.
     
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    You know what you are saying right now is that just because they got a high defense they are automaticly tanks. Try to look at the other factors. Tanks are units which excell at defense.

    And try to research a bit next time:

    "The Chitinous Plating upgrade was removed as of March 2009.[10]"

    http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Ultralisk

    this is thought canceled out with a bigger normal armor. But it still means that the Roach will probably be a stronger tank costwise.

    Lets look at the new and old Ultralisk compared to each other

    New: 300 minerals, 200 gas, 600 hit points. 20 (x2 attacks); 60 (buildings) (head thrust) (problematic getting info on the splash upgrade, but it is really a genial concept, because the new ultralisk will counter marines even more than before.

    Old: 200 minerals, 200 gas, 500 hit points. 20 dmg.

    What is it that was really buffed for the 100 additional minerals? The attack. So now the Ultralisk is more like a half-tank half-masscounter. The Roach will be the real cost-effective tanker, because gas is always important for Zerg, and the Roach costs 0.
     
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    The Ultralisk is more like a Zerg Archon now. Hard to kill, decent against everything, and slaughters small units.

    Imo its better than making him a pure tank. I was always dissapointed in the original when a group of marines with a single medic could focus down a gigantic Ultralisk before it even killed one of them.

    Go ultras!
     
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    Very good description Sueco. Reminds a lot of the Archon!
     
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    Well role of Ultralisc in Starcraft 1 was more to scare then well anything else. Attack was like 20? He was only good to absorbe attacks will zerglins and hydras do the killing.
     
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    Well thats my point. Do you have in every post to just mention what other people said 1-3 posts before without mentioning anything new? Is a bit irritating. Ends up being categorized as spam, which wouldn't be smart :)

    I would like to heat Balistisks and Lurkers opinion on my post.