i was recently playin a 2v2 game, i was zerg and my partner was terran. the other team was random so i was going for quick mutas. next think you know when im about to get my mutas out he has 2 thors at our front door with a couple of lots and stalkers. but mainly the threat was the thors. his thors was surrounded by all his scvs. he wiped my partners marines clean and my mutas didnt do a think to help. then it was gg. i feel like even if i was makin a ground army there is no way i would have been able to take this down...... this just seem like a fair strategy lol maybe cause i lost but any good counters to this? i know mutas are not.
It depends on how many stalkers there were. If few, mutas are viable because of magic boxing. But when I rush to a certain unit I like to get crawlers and ... something to defend against the units I see coming. Surely you scouted the quick armoury, etc.
Bad assumption, I'm thinking. He didn't seem to know what race his opponents were before there were stalkers and thors at his front door. But yeah, scouting will help solve that problem
I dont think scouting would have helped much cause he asked if there were any good counters to thors which means that even if he knew they were comming he could not counter the thors which is very important to know how to do if you want to play efficiently, but if i knew that he would rush thors i think roaches and infestors are the best way to go depending on how early in the game it was. i personally have a problem with thors myself as zerg as i just dont see any good counters against them especially when they are covered with scv's like they were in this example.
ok not sure how to magic box. i heard somewhat about it but its not completely clear to me.. something about spreading out your mutas to counter the splash. but i didnt scout at all i was play 2v2 and my partner did but all we saw was a baraks or two. u coundnt see any toss cause of the map. its one of those fort maps where they have the same base. but i guess i should have done something better. my muta rush was coming but didnt stand a chance with the scvs around it. i have had good outcomes with my mutas though. one game(a 2v2) i even got to upgrade them completely and took on there mass stalkers and immortals.(which i know the immortals did them no good.) and i took on the zergs few corruptors. the mutas supriesed me.
the best way that i can stand up to thors is to use phoenixs gravity beam to lift them up with stalkers for support, and when they're back on the ground, collossi and stalkers to blast them at the moment they drop back down, and phoenixs lift them right back up asap, if theres a mass of them, well.... phoenixs, collossi, chargelots, blinkers, a few void rays, and a whole lot of luck!!! also not knowing what they are, prepare for the worst from any race, mass of stalkers, thors, void rays, collossi, banshees, mutas, roaches, hydras, whatever you can think of, prepare for the worse, and try to scout them with an observer when playing as protoss, half the time, they won't have detectors, they never seem to think about it
Thors are massive so they can't be lifted. Troll averted. As for the thread, you can't expect to win a game if you don't know anything about the opponent(s). It's not just counters you need to learn but also fundamental assets of war like intel, positioning, timing, etc.
It's all about mass lings. Lings are very very cheap, and quick to build. So if you scouted, you would have easily had 50+ lings to go against 2 thors, and along with roach support, it's an easy win.
lings are good to tank thor damage, cause for every ling hit by a thor shot, 25 out of 60 damage gets wasted which is more than 40% of the thor dmg output, and that is disregarding upgrades(goes up to 55% dmg wasted on 3/0 thors)... Anyway, I wouldn't make 50 lings but rather make like 20 or so and use the rest of my larvae and resources on roaches, when faced with thors. Lings are good to tank damage, but roaches or hydras are way better in dealing it, when it comes to thors(lings ofc do more damage than roaches, but they have to both get a surround and not meet scvs blocking them)...
Actually, since the repairing SCVs get the priority of the unit being repaired even an SCV wall shouldn't be a problem. As for tanking damage, I'm a bit iffy about it for three reasons. Firstly, if they have 2 thors and you have as many lings/roaches as described then there is nothing to discuss since you're much better. Secondly, thors are rushed by medivacs so if you throw anything at it barring hydras or mutas, chances are they'll easily reposition them via air. Lastly, if all else fails, they will probably target roaches and not lings.
Aw, right! The scv priority patch is the one we're currently playing and not the one on the horizon... Damn, I need to update my patch notes
LINGS! didnt u play the challenge mode!?! and also people seem to forget that there is a help button at the top of ur screen while u are in game and u can find out what unit counters what
If the terran player has half a brain he will position his thors so you wont get a surround with the lings, and he'll position the scv's behind the thor and use the thor itsself as a wall. Ling/bane can beat thor/scv. Mutas lose effectiveness if the terran player gos marine/thor. Which is what i usually see.
