Random Gender

Discussion in 'General StarCraft 2 Discussion' started by Anansi_Tragoudia, Feb 16, 2008.

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Randomly generated units. Keeping unit models the same, but changing the Portrait & Voice.

  1. Yes, a fixed ratio. (3:1, 1:1, ect.)

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  2. No, unit models should change too!

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  3. Yes, fixed ratio should differ with Protoss...and... *Zerg?

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  4. Yes, with a differnt ratio per unit type (medic, templar).

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  5. Why bother?

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  1. Anansi_Tragoudia

    Anansi_Tragoudia New Member

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    Random Gender
    When units are created, the portrait and phrases could differ. The models could stay the same, (they are in armor or machines, so what would change? :)

    50% chance or 75% to 25% or even another ratio (chance of receiving a unit of a specific gender).
    Fixed across the board i.e. 50% for all, excluding machines and Zerg...
    Fixed Ratio per Faction i.e. Terran 2:1, Protoss 3:1, Zerg 0
    Ratio on a per unit bassis?

    • They say the same phrases, with different actors/actresses
    • A few unique phrases, with the majority being the same.
    • Say all unique phrases
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    I think this would mostly apply to Terran. Piloting and shooting shouldn't reflect gender, although many of them are prisoners, so if they maintain the western style of imprisoning more males than females, that could account for the difference.

    Protoss might have a different ratio than Terran, although that is up to the lore team, I suppose...

    Zerg... unless they start infesting units, I think it is cooler if the Zerg are genderless, besides what would they change, the pitch of their screeching :p
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    I think it would be encouraging to female players, and add a touch of realism.
     
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    2) Will we have selectable male/female of every unit?

    No, we don't have plans to include male and female versions of each unit.

    The idea has been discussed a few times too, although nice I don't really see the need as there are more important things to worry about.
    If they implimented it I wouldn't mind.

    But there are generally more males on the front lines in war these days anyway.
    There are females units already tho. Medic, Banshee, Mothership and maybe there will be more. But I would like to see a variation between male and female for the Ghost.
     
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    It would definitely be cool to have this feature. While not really affecting gameplay, it'd be neat to see.

    However, Blizzard has already said that there are no plans for this. They probably don't even want to bother putting forth the extra programming, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
     
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    yes unfortunately blizzard is lazy to this as there are more important things to do. =\

    but i hope it will be implemented for the ghost at least.
     
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    There will be no unit genders.
     
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    i could see this with only the ghost.
     
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    @zerg...
    That was a generic question, many people have asked for unit models, a daunting task. Especially considering the depth of map making capabilities, the question could have called for more. To your credit, he could mean exactly that, and unfortunately, people tend to cater to their own. I doubt the programmers and designers are concerned, for there are almost no women on the dev team, there were few women in Team 1, so that will likely not change.
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    I'm glad I'm not a woman, the thought of birthing and raising a child that would one day discriminate against me is so abhorrent, that I'd consider not having children.
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    For those of you that said why bother, but it would be fine with the ghost. Why do you consider the ghost to be acceptable? Because Blizzard made Kerrigan and Nova females? So, if Blizzard makes female characters, then it's okay for portraits to be female :)
    Blizzard did it twice, and people were fine with it. I think that is a positive step.
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    Too much effort? Blizzard is taking SC1 units, giving portraits, voices, movements, attack motions, and minor balancing (so they are generally usable in UMS games), and adding them to the game. A portrait and a voice should not be hard to implement, units already have multiple random sayings when selected.
     
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    I wouldn't mind this being implemented, but I wouldn't mind if it isn't. Can a 'View Results' link be added to the poll?
    If it is, I think that it should mainly effect specialist units, like, as a lot of people have said, the Ghost, but also other specialist units like High and Dark Templar. There are still some units that should remain exclusively male (like Reapers) or female (like Medics) purely because it makes the most sense aesthetically and, to a much lesser extent, lorewise.
    Speaking of the Ghost, I'm surprised it's actually still male. Both Sarah Kerrigan and Nova are the two most famous Ghosts (apart from Duran who we know close to nothing about) and they're both female. How come the standard Ghosts are still male if they're iconically female?
    Lastly, I know they're not going to do it, and I hope that some Uni student or something is, but they really should make both genders of each unit for the Map Editor. It'd help with custom campaigns and maps, and opens up a lot more possibilities than just having the one skin for each unit does.
     
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    to me, i dont care. i rather let blizzard work on more important things than this. this idea should be the last thing blizzard should think about.

    =]
     
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    I don't like the difference between genders in a strategic game, especially Starcraft. marine women??? No way.
    Zerg doesn't even have specific genders, cause they multiply in the hatchery, which creates the larvas-eggs.
    Terran Ghost women.. Well it would be ok, but I don't really see any good reasons why to implement this... It is just weird. I think this game is about the tactics, not about the distinction of the genders
     
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    you know what hunter? your right...stuff this gender crap...blizzard should never think about this at all.

    =]
     
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    i hope there is a feature in the map editor which allows us to create a characters (face) of our choice for the unit frame. like sims or nba live etc. then the face of the character can be place to the marine powersuit or whatever a default terran unit is wearing in the unit portrait. imagine a look alike portrait of yourself on the unit frame of a marine or a siege tank etc. 8)
     
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    Why are you so opposed to female soldiers?
    Queens. Besides, some part of the Zerg team would have to have certain genders unless the reproduce asexually, which is actually quite probable.
    Why is it weird? It's not even something you implement, it's just the unit's skin or model. There are just as many (if not more) reasons to have a female Ghost as there is to have a male Ghost. Same goes for Marines, etc, there are jsut as many reasons for having them as males as there are having them females.
    Regardless, when dealing with a humanoid team, not to mention humans, there will always be gender distinction. Genders take away nothing from the tactics of a game. It takes just as long to make a female model as it does to make a male model, so it's not even like they're jsut doing it to focus on gameplay or tactics.
     
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    @zeratul

    yup...create yourself in a marine...and it gets blown up by a sege tank...
    =S
     
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    Never in war was there female infantry which are you basic, straight up in up in there type people, as the womans role was more valued and it helped sustain the army. Nowadays women are in combat but the way we fight is a lot different from before. For us its all stealthy approch and long range meaning we are at less danger for women can now fight along side man thus boosting numbers.
    But generally women used to be medics, catering, creating bullet proof vests and stuff.

    A Ghost is one of those iconic units that have multiple capabilities and are of value. Marine are just those units which you throw in the thick of battle, them being male because most of the Terran society are ex convicts and stuff, this would mean Marines don't know anything but fighting, whereas the women have other skills too making them more valuable.
    Also women are more valuable since we need em to mate :D

    Now notice Blizzard has only made those type of 'special forces' kind of units female.
    Medics- not usually the highest priority and keep Marines alive
    Banshee- Hit and run unit, less danger of dying since it can cloak out of bad situations or go the whole task on stealth.
    Mothership- Nuff said.

    The Valkyrie was also female because it wasn't an in your face unit, the Valyrie was supposed to be hind the army killed off masses from a safe distance.
    The Dropship was also female and that again wasn't an offensive in your face unit.

    Do you see the trend?
     
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    @ItzaHexGor
    I am not opposed to them, as I told my opinion is that the distinction is unnecessary. Instead of making genders, which people won't even use cause it is not an interactive feature, they must focus on the game itself. I think you would rather play a well balanced game without specific genders, than a game with genders, but imbalanced.

    About the queen.. Well it's name refers to a gender, but it doesn't really have the role of a female. In fact it's not female at all. And there isn't a king, if you know what I mean. It is just a name. Ok, it hatches broodlings and parasites, but this is similar to the hatcheries. Only difference is that it is mobile, and specialized to destroy, and support the swarm, not to produce the units.

    Ya know, About the ghosts, I would be happy to have only females.. That makes sense.
    But don't mix genders, stay as simple as you can. (only if there will be female-male heroes. There the distinction is important :) )

    @AcE
    Thx :) I think it too. And I hope they didn't think of it seriously.
     
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    i think blizzard has already done a fair share of "female Roles" and male roles.

    blizzard implemented the mothership to be female..

    and terran have some "support" unit as females (medic, dropship etc)...so i think..we should leave it at that =]
     
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    Hey that is good, but we don't need different genders between unit types do we? :)
     
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    I'm not suggesting different models. Just the Portrait and Phrase would differ. Randomly produce a few of them. In the cinematic, you saw how large the powersuit is, would it need a thinner waist? What would you want, a pink siege tank, there is already a pink team color! :p

    @Zergalicious
    I guess you, are too young to have friends in the military, and you don't pay attention to the news, or history. It is often harder for women to get the specialized roles in combat, because women are discriminated against. With your reasoning, a woman would make a capable general, for they don't fight, at all. It is not common for a woman to reach that high position, but they are often in infantry, I've had a few friends in that role.
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    It's amazing how hostile many of you are to this idea, but it is also indicative of the military today. It's also unfortunate that a lot of soldiers think of women are "needed to mate", and as such, there is a lot of sexual harassment.
    It doesn't take extra strength to press a button, or pull a trigger. Which is what they are doing, a sword maybe, but a button?
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    For a sexist guy, these changes would be horrible, for other guys it would be decent or neutral, for a woman, it would be encouraging.

    This is why there are so few female gamers, guys like you are hostile towards them. Women are happier playing games that are not sexist, just like minorities like to play games which are not racist.

    Ever heard of the glass ceiling?
     
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    i'd say some women are dainty, some could easily beat people down. but as far as that goes, us guys have the same spectrum.

    @anansi, as you've pointed out, combat is no longer about who has more testosterone/bigger muscles, but is leaning more and more towards who has the most brains (funny, cuz if we all had great brains, do ya think for a moment there would be any combat..just a thought). in other words, the differences between the male and female body have less and less to do with fighting capability (and there's always martial arts). hostility and sexual harassment are difficult things to respond to. if a response is considered weak, the aggressor will likely continue or even advance the aggressiveness because they perceive their target as being weak and wish to drive them away. don't forget guys harass guys too - when harassing women they just use different tactics to try to get into their heads and make them feel inferior.

    this is quickly spiraling off topic, so i'll just say i figure everyone has to show people how much they can handle. personally, i don't think getting up in someones face and telling them this or that 'isn't fair' is a good way of handling anything. i just stick to wtf i'm supposed to be doing, and i do it as best i can, and improve as best i can.

    NOW as to the topic of gender in games, yea, mixing it up would be great, not just for the support units, but for battle units also. although i would say i have a hard time imagining very many female convicts = marines. i think that's something females could be happy with..unless they like jail.

    also, not to be sexist, but it's quite possible that there's some underlying part of the general female psyche that just makes them not like video games. i have no support for this, other than statistics. still, it would be great to see pro female gamers.