Need help with zerg badly...

Discussion in 'StarCraft 2 Strategy Discussion' started by psp219, Aug 15, 2010.

Need help with zerg badly...

Discussion in 'StarCraft 2 Strategy Discussion' started by psp219, Aug 15, 2010.

  1. psp219

    psp219 New Member

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    Hey guys,
    Starcraft 2 is my 2nd RTS game and I've been experiencing major issues with my gameplay. I've decided that THE race that I want to play is zerg and have been massing 1 v 1 ladder games on bnet. I am currently on the bronze league and 1st in my division. However, these past days, I've just been losing GAME after GAME and just pretty much getting facerolled by anybody I come across.
    So I've got a few questions I had in mind:

    How do I get better at my gameplay? I watch replays from Idra and youtube videos about my race and I try to emulate those strategies presented but nothing seems to be getting better.

    What should I watch for when watching replays?

    Why is it that I'm constantly losing and what is my specific problem that I need to work on.. and how SPECIFICALLY can I work on these problems?

    I will attach 2 replays below
    One against a terran player
    One against a protoss player

    If you could please take the time to look over them I would be grateful

    I'm losing faith in playing zerg or sc2 anymore in this matter that I try so hard I play 10-15 games a day and I'm still seeing no improvement even after I've already played around 200 games.
    If you have any ideas specifically I would be thankful if you guys could add me on Bnet

    Kaiiiii-356
     

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  2. Uratashi

    Uratashi New Member

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    Add me, Uratashi and code 118. I don't know if I could help you, but it doesn't hurt, right? :p
     
  3. psp219

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    Yeah man I'll do that now
     
  4. Uratashi

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    Were you that kaiii person? Sorry I was surfing the forums.
     
  5. Uratashi

    Uratashi New Member

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    I believe this was the one i was talking about.
     

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  6. KaptenKurr

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    i'm watching the zerg vs terran game and doing some notes at the same time ^^

    first mistake: you waited to get your overlord til you were 10/10 supply which means that you will have alot of minerals that you can't use since you were supply blocked, this build might work if you go early hatch or early spawning pool but other then that i can't recommend it.

    second: you should have canceled the building when you were stealing his gas, but since he pretty much used all his scv's to destroy it i think you came out ahead anyway ^^

    third: take control of the xelnaga watch towers with zerglings, for just 50 gold you can get vision of the hole middle of the map (and the golden minerals). you don't want to face a terran player with a fully saturated gold expo.

    fourth: it took you waay to long to saturate your second expo, the sooner you saturate it the sooner you can build a massive army.

    fifth: i like that you used the nydus worm but the army you sent was just waaay to weak to do any real dmg.

    oh btw: when you attacked you saw his command center but you didn't scout anywhere to see where it landed.

    i'm not writing this to be mean or anything i'm just saying that these are things you can improve :)
     
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    Kapten,
    How exactly or specifically can I improve these things that you mentioned above such as saturating the second expo.
    Like how many workers should I move from my main to another?
     
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    Canceling an extractor won't make him win decisive games, what he lacks on is scouting and macroing. Not putting some lings at the towers.

    First game: You had no clue that the terran was gonna launch nukes. When you heard the: Nuclear Misile launch it was to late. If you would had SIMPLY send an overseer or an overlord with speed upgrade then you could have prepared for the nukes and it could have compltely changed everything.

    Also you have so much minerals and gas, why not producing even more units and GET YOUR UPGRADES!!! Seriously get your upgrades you have so much money and it feels like if you where broke all game long which you weren't. I mean if you have such an enourmous amount of ressources get more units, research upgrades, tech up, make some spore crawlers just in case.



    Second game: Once again you had no clue that he was gonna make darktemplars, imagine how the match could have went in your favor if the dark templars would have been destroyed immediately because you where prepared. And upgrades again!! And more units, much more units. You may think it's normal to have so much ressources but it is not.


    Lets say you have 2500 minerals in the zerg vs terran game.

    -6 spore crawlers: 450
    -2 Evolution chambers: 150
    -Level 1 upgrades for missile and carapace: 250
    -Level 2 upgradesfor missile and carapace: 375
    -More units(about 15 more hydras): 1500
    -And a few roaches: 150 for the building and 750 for 10 roaches.
    -Then hydralisk range upgrade, roache speed upgrade and tuneling claws if you want: 400
    -and then you see alot of vikings which was the case: 200 minerals for a spire and 900 for about 6 corruptors
    -and then you wanna get upgrades for your corruptors: 250 for level 1 carrapace and attack damage


    All this to show you that only this list of things(and I'm forgeting about a couple more things) would get you broke almost and that's a sign that you are macroing well.
     
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    THIS is what I was looking for. Alright so my main problem I see here is my scouting which I don't do enough. How to do this though? Should I just send a sacrificial overlord in there and let it be shot down or something? Also, I haven't ever really played terran so I'm not sure what exactly I'm really looking for as in I don't know what comes out of factories and I don't know what I'm looking for when I see starports...
     
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    Factories gives them Hellions / tanks / thors. Starports give anything that flys ( i.e. vikings, banshees, dropships etc.) If i'm using a OL drop and if I'v scouted ahead of time I try to drop there and take those out first but only if i'm able to and their off to the side of the base. As for scouting i like to use the changeling that comes from overseer's.bring the overseer to a small area of their base where u can drop the changeling without them seeing it and take it on a tour of their base. doesn't always work but works well enough.
     
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    Starports usually mean banshees to harass you, vikings to counter you mutas or to drop in your mineral line, or medivacs to drop units/heal them. Banshees can only built with a tech lab, and if there is a reactor, he can produce 2 units at the same time.

    Scouting as zerg feels tricky to me early game, you may try to hide one drone inside the enemy base on maps where there are nice corners or big bases. In mid game, just morph an OV to an overseer, this should be done anyway in the case you opponent tries to kill you with invisible units. Then, just spawn a changeling inside the enemy base and have a look around. If you go air, this might not even be necessary.
     
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    If I'm attacking their base should I always attack mineral line first or go straight for scv's or start raping tech labs/reactors?
     
  13. Uratashi

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    Just ask me in-game, I can help you with these things. I don't understand why you can't ask me. :(
     
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    you can add me in game if you want, we can test different things.
     
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    I have a simple link that could really help you: http://sc2armory.com/game. You will see an image for zerg, and image for terran and one for protoss, click one of those images and then click tech tree. It will lead you to the tech tree of that race, to it's buildings, UNITS PRODUCED IN THOSE BUILDINGS AND A PAGE FOR EACH OF THESE UNITS.

    And for your question on how to scout well its usually done by an overlord, its not necessarily sacrificial overlord, if he survives then good for you, but remember, even if he dies, he would have been so important that people dont care if he dies, they will have prescious info. Or overseers which are faster but they cost money to morph. Or a chaneling could be perfect is he isn't paying attention.
     
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    Sorry bro.Was on a different computer that didn't have starcraft 2 on it.
     
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    Replaysssss
     

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    psp, Why did you say you would be right back in 15 minutes, then left for good? Also, we need a better way to communicate.
     
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    email or aim
     
  20. Uratashi

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    PM me your email. Let's stop spamming these forums, shall we?