now, if they are out, what am I supposed to do? just got two mothership rushed... well, not exactly 'rushed' but they turtled I FEed and they muthershiped my *** whipped. I guess there is a key scouting that I failed to do; when P mass cannoned at entrence I auto assume that they will air rush me; but when their MS is out all my corruptors and hydras just melted away. detecting Overseers die so fast. make me wonder, even I see the star beacon thing there and I know the mothership is on its way, what is the correct way to counter? late game zerg is a very challenging thing.
Corruptors obliterate motherships. Teching to them is a good idea since carriers are on the same tech as mothership so you should expect some of these too... If you scout it's easy to take out since it's always behind the main army for protection(just enough to cloak it) so just bring your corruptors from behind and snipe it. Going for a hive late-game and teching guardians would also be a nice way to funnel your corruptors once you seize air control.
Did you spend your income? Because mass cannons and motherships with a notable army size don't really go together. Nydus their arses next time. But not just like that, bring drones and morph crawlers right in their FACES. If you see cannons you can either prepare for air or rush to nydus worms.
the map is Jungle Basin so they have their natural ready; I had 3 bases fully saturated with creeps all over; my income was accumulated but not sickly high. The two times they both not using much of ground units; it is mothership accompanied with mass voidrays. I think the main reason is I had sizeable ground army there and it could not participate the fight; I guess mass corruptor would be the answer.. I have only seen motherships less than handful of times through the ladder play, I am 2100 bronze. the higher level replays rarely use Motherships so I am just not mentally prepared enough, I suppose. if mothership is so powerful howcome Ps don't use it?
Because it leaves them vulnerable until they get there. Which is why they cannon up, which is why I suggested going for worms. Another thing in favour of this is that you'll be creating ground units to hold off early aggression - the nydus allows you to use them unlike, as you've described, against air units if you wait for them to appear. But note that void rays counter armoured units so while corruptors are nice against motherships, they'll be murdered by rays.
I had nice mixture of Hydras in my ground army, however they got killed rather quickly by the carriers (2 or 3 of them) and rays because they are invisible; after that the roaches were just meat on the plate; a rush and half of corrupters were half wiped even before they could reach mothership and then that was it. my mineral and gas were pretty low so each round of defence were weaker. well, I guess we will see mothership a bit more often down the line so better be prepared for it.
Here's a replay against a RL friend of mine with a MS rush Unfortunately you can't see the lulz cause we were on skype, but when he saw it he started screaming at me, lol!
How did you get "2 mothership" rushed? It would seem like the simple answer is to slap corruption on the MS, then whale on it with corruptors. If you have infestors and wish to reveal the MS's escort, throw out fungal growth. If there's any sizeable force with the MS, you'll definitely see the Predator camo effect. Or you could just throw it on/near the mothership, or slightly in front of it, and you're very likely to hit something. Finally, consider a base trade. If the MS is out attacking, then it can't recall the army back home. You can wreck his base, especially if you have roaches and infestors crawling underground to bypass the MS and its cloaked forces.
when I say two mothership rushed, I meant 'twice'. base trade is, I guess, the last option... especially on a smaller map, since they can go back and zap the roaches then come back out again? like I said the scouting key time is critical here... as Zerg when the P is not coming out I tend to think that it is time to expend so it is more likely for me to drone up, over expend, over tech, etc. when finally seeing it coming it is mostly too late. I guess I just need to be mothershipped a bit more often to have that instinct...
when I say two mothership rushed, I meant 'twice'. base trade is, I guess, the last option... especially on a smaller map, since they can go back and zap the roaches then come back out again? like I said the scouting key time is critical here... as Zerg when the P is not coming out I tend to think that it is time to expend so it is more likely for me to drone up, over expend, over tech, etc. when finally seeing it coming it is mostly too late. I guess I just need to be mothershipped a bit more often to have that instinct...
You know, your composition probably wasn't the problem. You say you had 3 bases, but maybe you didn't have enough drones at them. It takes a long time for a protoss to get a mothership, and in the meantime you are 99% safe from attack, so you could not only get 3 bases but also go drone crazy, like 80 drones, so that you have a completely dominating economy and army by the time he pushes out.
I Don't think I've ever even seen a MS on ladder at all. But I would think that by the time they have a MS I would be at least a base if not two a head of them and my mutas would be in a big enough mass to either skip their army and harass their base so that they are forced back or see the MS coming and moph a crap load of overseerers and ling/bling as well as attack him when he's in the middle of nowwear so that I get a great surround and my mutas would counter and void rays for the most part, as long as you micro well you should hopefully win and then steam roll their base with a mass ling/bling while expanding. Roaches would also probably help to win the fight as well. I'm typically opening with a 13gas/14 pool into either an expo or more gas and a one base Muta play (or nydus then if I get canoned in.
I've mothership rushed in ladder a couple of times just for the fun of it, lol and it was both successful, but yeah, till that mothership is out and you get some kind of army to support it you're praying that you'll manage to stay alive
Just one base roach open vs all protoss. Short of them doing a proxy gate you can easily push out and then transition into roach/hydra which by the time a mothership comes out should be an easy win for you.
