Is this bad manners (the sequel)?

Discussion in 'General StarCraft 2 Discussion' started by KHaYMaN, Oct 4, 2010.

Is this bad manners (the sequel)?

Discussion in 'General StarCraft 2 Discussion' started by KHaYMaN, Oct 4, 2010.

  1. KHaYMaN

    KHaYMaN New Member

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    Ok, the recent "Is this bad manners?" and do you play for fun/to win threads prompted me to go ahead and ask:

    Is it bad manners to strategically use/sacrifice your partner for a win?

    Situation:

    2v2 on LT. Profile checks indicate 1 diamond level opponent, 1 unknown opponent, 1 unknown or low league partner (can't remember which, would need to check the replay).

    In the chat room the diamond player acts like a noob, and screams for his partner to be kicked. It looks very suspicious to me.

    Diamond's partner (protoss) exhibits non-noob scouting with his probe (early scouting, good if unsuccessful attempts at worker harass).

    My partner gets rushed. I send some assistance, but admittedly not a lot. At this point I've come to the conclusion that both my opponents are good, and possibly "know each other" (i.e. queued together). I could build to save my partner, he appears at least decent, but is still relatively unknown and I don't know how reliable in the long run. I also suspect the toss is teching to either DTs or VRs, and I'm worried that putting resources into saving my partner would cost me a lot in a few minutes, and possibly not save him for good. Plus I know the rush is costing the diamond zerg player, and I can eliminate him relatively easily and cheaply (i.e. low losses, so I could still turn nearly my full force at the Protoss), bringing it down to me and the Protoss player.

    So I opt to use my partner to buy the time I needed to solidify 2x hatch speedlings.

    We did win, but my partner was pissed of course (and left before we won). I tried apologizing and explaining to him why I made my decision, but I don't think he cared.

    So was that extremely bad manners? Are you obligated to do whatever you can to save your partner, even if you think doing so will ultimately cost you the game?
     
  2. kuvasz

    kuvasz Corrections Officer

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    Note how b.net uses the word team even in 1v1 - it's to create consistency and try to draw attention to the fact that the game, be it 1v1 or 4v4, is between teams, and the opposing sides are not players but teams, irrespective of how many players are in a team. The objective is to make your team win, and it doesn't matter how it's achieved or how many players remain standing - and I think any real team player understands that. It's just that playing is more fun than watching :)
     
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    JimReynolds New Member

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    Sometimes you gotta learn to deal with the fact that in some games your role is going to be rebuilding faster than your opponent because you got rushed hard by two other players.

    I dont think it is bad manners at all :)
     
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    Hell no, I throw my partners under the bus consistantly. Gives me more time to do what I want. :D
     
  5. 1n5an1ty

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    If I ever play with you takaim, im going to leave immediately.

    anyways, gj khayman. not only is ur profile pic cute, ur cool.
     
  6. Takaim

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    I'm just kidding. <3 If my partner is bad and I can openly see that they wouldn't be worth the lost units I will let them be and just mass an army. But if my partner is good I'll step in and do what I can to help and even give them cash if I have it to rebuild.