Hero Units in Starcraft II?

I am wondering if Hero units like the ones in Warcraft III will appear in Starcraft II

 

No, there won't be any hero units. Only in the campaign.

 

And I'm pretty sure you can give any unit the ability to level up within the editor.

 

Yea, there won't be any hero units in the game like the Warcraft III ones, i.e levels,spells,etc.

There will be heroes in the Starcraft 2 campaign but not how they were in Warcraft III and there won't be any heroes at all in the multi-player aspect of the game.

 

I wouldn't mind it if you were able to create heroes that didn't give to much of an edge. Like maybe you could build just one jim raynor, kerrigan, artanis, tassadar, zeratul, or fenix but thats it. It may give additional base defense or something but nothing else.

 

Here is how Blizzard is going to do heroes (source: the company).

Single-player - Heroes will be present during the campaigns in a very similar way to the original Starcraft. We will see Raynor, Kerrigan, Artanis, etc. as unique, buffed units. But there will be no leveling or anything like that.

Multiplayer - No heroes. Except in custom maps - same as original Starcraft. But there will be one key difference: Blizzard says they will make the map editor capable of creating a DOTA-type game. This means you will probably be able to access leveling/items/etc. in custom maps.

The above is how Blizzard is planning to make everybody happy, and I agree completely with it. Since I am one of the fans who loves Starcraft but not so much Warcraft, I am glad that heroes are not going to play a major role in the game (other than single-player of course).

 

I agree. I like how they are keeping starcraft as pure as possible, but also like how their leaving it capable of expanding the game to your/their/my(hehe) hearts content.

 

Hopefully not, I thought heroes ruined Warcraft III personally.

 

NO,NO,NO,NO THEY WILL NOT, CANNOT PUT ANY PART OF WARCRAFT 3 INTO SC2.
The heroes ruined Warcraft III and it's proof Warcraft has less micro than Starcraft. If your hero dies you loses... It's all dependent on one unit. First to get a hero has better chance of winning, that's lame.

 

Darktemplar, have you played Warcraft recently? That game is 90% micro, not the other way around. Neither does getting the hero first mean you'll automatically win. =P

 

Darktemplar, methinks you didn't read carefully enough. Plus the leveling system, if it can be done in the map editor, is totally optional for you to play on B.Net.

"Single-player - Heroes will be present during the campaigns in a very similar way to the original Starcraft. We will see Raynor, Kerrigan, Artanis, etc. as unique, buffed units. But there will be no leveling or anything like that."

 

Man I can't wait for a starcraft 2 engine fueled DOTA.

 

There is NOTHING worse than unique orbs and abilities that you can achieve from neutral units (a FAIL move from Warcraft 3), the only thing I FEEL is missing is that we should have a PROMOTION ability based on a unit's kill count, for example MARINES, if you have successfully survived and killed 30+ units your individual armour and/or firepower and title should move up from grunt to corporal etc... what do you guys think?

Saracen...

AGAIN....

 

Welcome to the forums, Saracen.

We have actually discussed that topic to DEATH in these forums (I for one am against the idea). Do a search, and check out this article to start:

http://www.starcraft2forum.org/index.php?categoryid=8&p2_articleid=8

 

Haha, I concur!

 

Be that as it may, newer forum goers haven't seen it.

I have to say no to Saracen, though. Corporal, in the marines, is a leadership position. You get that position because you can communicate effectively in battle. Experience and tactical ability help too, but are not required. The ability to actually shoot stuff is not important to that promotion; in real-life, US Marine corporals are given grenade launchers, which they use to "point" at enemy targets (a big deal on a loud, smoky battlefield)... and don't require you to know how to aim.

 

Starcraft II will feature NO HEROES in Multiplayer. =D

 

ok cool, I still think you got to give credits or a little experience to units with a high kill count... at least a minor firepower upgrade...

 

To clarify Corporals aren't exactly leaders, they're just more advanced followers. They're not NCO rank (i.e. sergeants) and so they don't have many official leadership options. And to compare that Marines in real life get promoted because they only have to "point" is demeaning, to be honest.
EDIT: just read your post again, and nevermind, it was just dumb.


But back on topic, I'm trying to remember which game it was that had units advance in rank and effectiveness as they gained battle experience. Which am I thinking of?

 

I'm afraid you're wrong there, SoF. Corporals (E4) are an NCO rank, the lowest one, as it happens.

Marines do things differently from soldiers. A Marine corporal leads a fire team (four guys, including the corporal), whereas in the Army, a sergeant (E5, one rank higher) leads a fire team.

They may not have many leadership options, and will of course be outranked by squad leaders, platoon leaders, etc, but as I pointed out, they have to be able to communicate in battle (and that's more than just pointing a grenade launcher). If there's a "natural born killer" in the fire team, but he's inexperienced and is a poor tactician, he isn't going to get promoted just because he kills more guys than the corporal.

If you're going to use veterancy, you shouldn't have units increase in rank. They should simply increase in experience. Unit leaders need to be better thinkers, not better killers. (On the same note, getting promoted from NCO to officer is extremely rare. Most officers have university degrees and start their careers as second lieutenants. Why so many games get this wrong is beyond me.)

C&C and probably many other RTSs use veterancy. In C&C, veterancy seemed too random, and was also pretty weak. I don't think it adds much to the gameplay, whereas it can make things worse, and would lengthen the production time of StarCraft II besides. Stick it in the campaign, if you have to use it, where balance is not as important.