Dissapointed by Battle Net 2.0

I know SC2 is only currently in beta, and may be im moaning too much but im so unhappy with Battle Net so far.

- No chat rooms? What's that about!

- No LAN? Fair enough I can understand the piracy issue but even still i'm sure theres a way you could work around it.

- No trans-region matches? meaning that you'd have to buy multiple copies to play friends that live in other parts of the world. I just don't get it.

Anyone else as dissapointed as me? :wacko: Any chance of Blizzard considering a rethink?

 

I am disappointed to notice that when a player lags the game still displays the message "waiting for players" and that we have to wait 30 seconds again that the lagger goes away.

 

Yeah that is really annoying. Battlenet 2.0 is pretty nice considering. They will have chat channels for clans though I believe.

 

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huskystarcraft,
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I'm not dissapointed at all, I really like the new Bnet. There are a few things I would like to see changed but I'm sure these changes will happen in the future.

 

Is inter-game communication put in the new net yet? Only for that I'll gladly take the new battle.net. I am gonna be buggering(neither english nor australian, so allowed to say that) you all from my Warlock.

 

I don't see what's wrong with Bnet..
It's like WC3, so what? You have achievements, chat, profiles, unlockables.. what more do you people need :O ?

 

I hope they fix the friends system. Only adding by email is not a good thing.
Before Patch 13, I've made a few cool friends on bnet. However, after the swipe and email friend system, my list was split in half, and I can't find those people again
And that video makes a point, even though we're bnet friends, I wouldn't want to be giving out my email to people I've never seen . Huge security risk.

I never used LAN, so it doesn't affect me. But Im sure a lot of people love it, so I hope them luck.

Chat systems, I miss them already. Channels were fun, and a great way to make friends. Esp. useful for clans and large group of friends online. I've made some nice friends through the public chat channels as well. It would all start off by a random comment, then someone would laugh or agree. The next thing you know, you're bnet friends.

I know they're trying to be innovative and new, but they're getting rid of things that made battle.net, well, battle.net.

But I AM satisfied with the ranking system, replays, party system, and the way custom games are being organized.
Thumbs up on that blizz.



EDIT: Custom maps, even though I like it now, I can see how it could be confusing in the future when HUNDREDS of custom maps are released. Not to mention, somewhat hard for people to test their "new" maps b/c the popularity will be very low.

 

It's not like b.net War3 on some levels.

You should watch the 25 min video, cause he's pretty much dead on.

 

i never used LAN, but it should still be a feature. i don't know how many netcafes there are around the world, but in asia they're pretty popular (one of the reasons why korea loves SC2 so much). there's a couple in my area- almost any multiplayer game that has LAN play uses it.

i've played L4D2, internet-only, and it's really annoying when you're paying money by the hour to play, with friends sitting beside you, and one of you is lagging out or gets DC'd for some stupid reason.

 

What annoys me most is the friend making system.

I seriously need to get email addresses from people to add them? Let's not forget that this email is the same one you use for your b.net 2.0 login and also for on the b.net forums(so you're giving 1/2 your login information to anyone you let add you to thir list). Considering I use my school email address for b.net, I'm also telling what school I go too when giving out my email. This also allows people to get your email info so they can spam emails to you(I can definitely see spammers start to use this idea).

Like in Husky's vid, he stated that tournaments are very hard to run because all the players needed to be befriended to everyone else, so each player needed to get everyone else's email addresses before the tournament could even start.

Personally, I don't like giving my IRL info to people I don't know(I consider email one of those things), so I dont see myself making many friends with this friend system.

 

yeah, that sounds like an inherent security flaw. i'm surprised nobody mentioned that- all this moaning about chatrooms and LAN when blizzard is expecting you to hand out your email (your B.NET account email!) address to strangers to "friend" them.

note to blizzard: there are many levels of friends. internet friends < facebook friends < real life friends. B.net friends fall under the "internet friends" category. i only give out my email address to real life friends (and legitimate businesses).

 

So, anyone wanna go write a small friendly letter regarding battle.net 2.0 and get a few thousand signatures?

 

I think the video makes a lot of legit points - no LAN may not matter for people playing at home in typical locations, but plenty of scenarios require LAN support: LAN parties/conferences, players trying to play in remote locations (possibly without Internet), people behind firewalls that don't allow access to Battle.Net, people on slow Internet connections, and so on. The idea of forbidding play with friends who live in other regions is even stupider. It appears to be some kind of elaborate antipiracy measure - but like all antipiracies measures, it's not hard to circumvent.

Custom maps will definitely have limited utility if people can't title them (you'd be pretty confused if you joined a public game and it turned out to be a custom map).

The lack of chatrooms is a big deal too... there's no way to connect up with players other than the buddy list, which is sufficient for some purposes, but any kind of multiparty communication (say, for tournaments) requires elaborate out-of-band methods.

Also anybody on your friends list being able to join your game at any time is understandably quite aggravating (especially since if you remove them there's no way of playing games with them in the future).

There are plenty of other missing features too - like you can't even type in a player's name and look at their profile. Seriously, how basic is that? This whole system is half baked and apparently only addressed a tiny proportion of the actual use cases.

 

... I am very, very disappointed with Blizzard.
Just like most of you, I am a very loyal blizzard fan. Ever since I was a child I played Blizzard games, waaayy back when WC2 came out. The game was fantastic, then Starcraft, Brood War, Diablo2 LOD, Wc3 and finally WoW I played all of these games and was only disappointed with one(WoW, didn't like monthly payments)
And now I get this?... I'm seriously reconsidering waiting in line on the release date to get SC2. It just bums me out, Ive been waiting for YEARS for starcraft2. Everything about this game is fantastic, the gameplay, just everything but some of these little changes is what matter.
`I do not like giving out my email, I find that a personal piece of information, What happened to username accounts?
`Why do we not have any Channels? Spam they say? Well WE HAD SQUELCH BUTTONS!!!! Now I log on and feel isolated and alone. This is a horrible horrible idea. They say they will have clan channels for those in a clan, well.... Im suppose to somehow find a clan? without Custom Map Titles? Oh gee I sure do hope I get lucky and join a game with a clan.... no
.. I'll just stop there, the list is endless, Husky covered most of it.
I sure hope do they get their heads straight and figure it out, or for the first time I wont buy a new blizzard game.

 

No LAN, no channels, no possibility of naming games, no cross server games. That's it in a nutshell. (Watch Husky for longer version). Every single of these four things are a big deal and all four of them together? Give me a break ActivisionBlizzard!

 

it seems like they took some of the worst solutions to the (supposed) problems:

1. spammers on B.net, so they removed chatrooms.
- they seemed to forget that normal people used chatrooms often to discuss a game or just get ready for the next game. the simple solution: NO PUBLIC CHATROOMS. allow chatrooms but every one must be created by a player. done.

2. too much DOTA, so they order maps by popularity and removed names?
- uhhh... so now the first 10 pages of maps will be all DOTA and TOWER DEFENSE. thanks.
- they removed making custom titles... so if you want to join this map, FFA, but you only get to choose the map and you end up joining a 4v4 instead. whoops. or UMS maps in general- can't tell the players what they might be getting into.

3. no LAN, to prevent piracy? not going to work. there will be SC hacks, guaranteed.

4. no cross-region play... to prevent lag? now you're just telling people to pirate your game so they can play internationally. guys, this is the internet. it's global, in case you haven't noticed. if i only wanted to play locally... I WOULD PLAY ON LAN.

 

Agreed with the points aboce totally.

1. I think moderated public chatrooms would be nice. Meeting random SC2 faans from around the workd and getting into SC2 games with them is cool. And Public chatrooms is a good way to do this.

2. Ageed 100%.

3. Hacks are good for SC2. On ladder matches they are bad. But elsewhere in SC2 they bring longevity to the game. As the hacks to many people bring on renewed fun after the Single Player is long finished and they've plated many thousands of MultiPlayer games.

4. Agreed 100%.

 

The chatroom thing is really what bothers me the most. In every Battle.net game that blizzard has released, I've made tons of friends and started clans via people I met in chat rooms alone. Hell I remember sifting through lobbies in starcraft 1 and warcraft 3, seeing a high ranking player, and receiving tons of gameplay tips which really improved the quality of my gaming experience. Removing the social aspect of online play is simply ridiculous. Let's hope they resolve this during the beta downtime starting next week.

 

Not only that they want to sell UMS maps...
lmao