Avatar *Potential Spoilers*

This is a thread about a movie and everyones opinion of what is a or isn't a spoiler is different, if you have a problem with that leave the thread now. - LK




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Saw the movie yesterday, and I couldn't help but get reminded of the Terrans during the fight scenes.

The escort fighters, Scorpions, look like the Banshee due to their dual rotorblades. They also seemed to excel at taking out ground targets using their missile launchers. But unlike the Banshee, they had 2 machine guns used for anti-air fire.

The mech armor suits looked like what a real life Goliath or Viking(ground mode) would look like. Only the Goliath had missile launchers, while the mech had a 6 foot long machine gun, which can still be used for quickly taking out aerial targets.

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The Na'vi race was pretty interesting, who wouldn't be intimidated by 10 foot tall humanoids? I do have to wonder how bows/arrows are able to pierce through what I would assume to be bullet proof glass on the Scorpion cockpits during the final battle, especially since they weren't able to break them during earlier parts of the movie. But that's the only inconstancy I've found.

The movie definitely is based off of natives being attacked by foreigners with superior technology(Native Americans vs. Europeans/Americans anyone?)

I also found they way the Na'vi communicate and control other animals to be pretty cool. Who would have thought of using nerve-like strands coming out of your head to neurologically attach yourself to another creature?

Overall, definitely worth watching at the theater.

 

Please give out a spoiler warning first, also I am sorry to be a bugger again but I am not sure this belongs to The Lounge.

 

For me, the last 40 minutes made up for all the eviromental bull. Completely destroyed all the green on earth, impossible, that and the how quickly a former marine jumped up and started shooting his own guys.

What i took away was that the na'vi were actually the evil ones, they wouldn't negoiate and they wouldn't leave for a for just a bit of time while they excavated the material. All in all, i would have done the same thing as the Cl.

 

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Nice contradiction. Also, when do you get tired of spamming instead of reporting posts? [/ot]

 

Higgs is right about this not belonging in the lounge, Fenix appears to have fixed that. As far as spoilers go read my adition to the top of Eon's post (don't mess with it Eon). Anyways, TBH I don't really see anything in this thread that I would call a spoiler (having already seen the movie) but that's open to interpretation.

Now back to the topic. I didn't think about the Human - Terran connection until I read Eon's post but now that I notice it might as well point out the other one, Imagine the Na'vi with psionic powers and some advanced technology. As for the bows and arrows piercing the glass remember the Na'vi on top of being 10 feet tall have bones made out of carbon fiber which would allow their muscles to be much stronger than there size would indicate, which means they could use extremely powerful bows. Also, I thought there was some kind of difference bewteen the weapons (or targets thereof) the Na'vi used at the beggining of the movie versus the end but I can't remember what the difference was.

Gforce It's been about a week since I have seen the movie so not all of the dialoge is fresh in my head but I don't remember it being said anywhere that all of the plant life on Earth had been destroyed, just that a lot of it had been destroyed, which is definetly possible (especially depending on your opinion of a lot). As for a marine turning on his bodies did you miss the part where it said the total time he spent with the Na'vi was 3 months?

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Or, the part where he gave intel on the Na'vi in the begining and continually tried for a peaceful solution all of the way up until the General open fired on the hometree essentially butchering the Na'vi?

As for the Na'vi being the evil ones you have to be kidding right? I don't think the problem was they wouldn't negotiate so much as the corporation didn't have anything the Na'vi wanted. As for leaving for a little bit while the corporation excavated the material when is the last time you have heard of anywhere being excavated and being able to be put back the same way? If you want a movie example just look at the amount of destruction the excavators caused just making a path to the location, do you actually think they would have been more subtle in removing the metal?

 

I believe he's referring to the part when he is talking to the tree where their deity supposedly lives when requesting for help, saying that the humans destroyed their mother on Earth(likely Mother Nature) and are going to do the same here.

As for the Na'vi being the evil ones, the humans were the ones invading and destroying the forest they live in and they are able to basically communicate with the forest. And by digging up where their hometree is, the tree would have died/been destroyed in the process anyway. Looking at its size, that tree would have to likely be at least tens-of-thousands of years old, so ofc the Na'vi would refuse to leave it. Besides, that's
were their ancestors have lived as far back as they can remember. Combine that with their reverence for nature, they would have an credibly strong emotional attachment to it.

 

Was a good movie, Only watch it in 3D or imax though.

 

Was it just the Na'vi who had carbon-fiber bones? I was under the impression that everything native to Pandora had carbon fiber bones, due to the atmosphere being rich in CO2

 

@ Ge - What would you do if an alien race shows up and simply demands you move without even giving a reason? Then they starts destroying one your sacred places?

The whole movie was a political statement about the Iraq and Afghani war. The Na'avi were the folks living there, the 'marines' (remember, they're merc-ish in the film) is less the US Military, and more Blackwater/Xe. Unobtainium is oil.

Ahhhh, James Cameron, how you've succumbed.

 

Actually Fenix I think Eon hit it on the nose in begining the movie was more a futuristic remake of the interactions between the U.S. and Native Americans versus any kind judgement on the U.S.-Iraq war, atleast when it was originally written (which if memory serves was something like 10 years ago). TBH though I really don't care, anything of sufficient length and depth can be overanalyzed to make whatever point you want, and I read enough politics as is so I try to ignore whatever hints may exist in movies.

@Karaa you may be right on that, all I remember is being specificly mentioned about the Na'vi.

 

I gotta say though, great movie. The atmosphere, graphics and themes were all great. I watched it in 3D.

 

IIRC it's never specifically mentioned what gas the atmosphere is. I'm inclined to think a nitrogen base, similar to ours, just in very slightly different ratios, simply because nitrogen is a far more prevelant gas on an astronomical scale than CO2. I think.

 

They do its a ammonia based atmosphere. It is also a statement of the ingeniousness/American interaction but really you can look it anyway you want.

Can you say big budget furry movie. Top favorite movie saw it twice in IMAX.

 

The day after I saw Avatar I was surfing around to find out why the atmosphere was lethal, and found passing mention of high carbon dioxide. The writer may have just made that assumption, since prolonged exposure to CO2 can cause heart failure.

 

have you guys seen this one?

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Yesterday saw it in IMAX. My first ever 3D experience, too it was mind blowing. Ok, so I ducked away from one of the smoke grenades or whatever, but it was dark, nobody saw that one instance. Worth every penny and I can safely recommend it to everybody, even people who are not fond of animation films - it's extremely well done graphically, although I still find the physics unreasonably bad, especially notable when Jake mounts the horse-forgot-its-name thing. I'm not even going to mention the air scenes because those were clearly for show with exaggeration, but this mounting, and the jumps on the trees... I don't get it why it's so hard.

 

Pretty good movie, I saw it last week. I enjoyed every bit of it, the whole movie felt like a video game, (upgrading mounts ftw). Did anyone notice that they were using radio's in that rift place (where communicating devices weren't supposed to work).

BTW. Have you guys heard about people getting depressed after watching Avatar? Some viewers feel some depression after watching the 3D version. I think it has do with seeing pandora in 3D and wishing earth looked like that, haha.

 

@asdf, yes I've seen that. The flaw is the ending, as Pocahontas and John don't have each other at the end of the movie, since John is sent back to Europe from his wounds.

Anyway, I feel Avatar is much better than Pocahontas.

@kuvasz, I'm not sure what you mean about the flying and jumping physics, but remember that Pandora is a moon, not a planet, and thus would have less gravity than on earth and a thinner atmosphere.

 

I understand that but then all the other action scenes are out of place because they look as if they were shot with more gravity. So I thought it'd be easier to point out the inconsistency through the few scenes where the lower gravity did show.

ps I loved the subtle differences like in the number of fingers, very elaborate work... but where did they get Na'vi sized T-shirts?

 

where else, malasian sweat shops.